When you claimed that only 2 LE cars run well then your saying those 2 are a fluke...no generalization needed. I criticize you because you and your long lost SS brother make comments about all the LE cars that run low 12's at 110-114...when neither have performed better yourselves. Its not to sound rude but to make the point. There isn't a 100% recipe to make something run hard....if it was that easy everyone would be doing it. Last I knew the majority of the bolt on LT1's were running what low to mid 13's@ 103-107...add a cam/ported heads to that and pick up 60-120 hp. If traction, DA, etc can all be equalized that would be about 6-12 mph picked up from the H/C setup on a normal street driven car. Maybe I'm in the minority here but the math seems to add up on paper for me....so how doesn't it make sense on the intraweb? After that gain its entirely up the the car owner to make changes to improve 60ft, aerodynamics, weight, driver skill, etc to make it faster and get down the track better. If i am wrong about the bolt on times LT1 cars run, anyone feel free to specify better...but last i looked those times looked normal.

The week after i picked up the car I went to the track, and with the same crappy 60ft as before I picked up 3 tenths and 6mph...it was however alot hotter that day. All things being compared I was satisfied.

The designer of the cam is in my sig your correct, just like everyone else that wants to post up they have an FMS F14 or Vengeance vindicator etc... You can't just state it doesn't take rocket science to figure out what goes wrong with peoples cars...because anyone can mess anything up its that simple. I have seen some of the smartest people in the world make dumb mistakes. I see valvetrains come apart more by taking advise from Comp just because of the lobes used, when thats not the only thing to take into consideration...thats generic information and if setup the way it was spec'd to I have confidence that it will work and last. Its been done, and I have seen it. I honestly could care less what YOU call wrong, or deem junk(as you stated about the LE setup on Javiers car...and that is what you said)I am happy with my choice, and I'm sure Bret Bauer isn't the only one that could have given me what i asked for when it comes to cam choice. I went to him because I am local and have seen his work, and as far as I am concerned I don't question his knowledge. If find it funny that the way it seems there is only room for Big names in the industry, and because You don't understand the way he does things doesn't mean he's wrong. Above all you turned this into a Bret bashing thread when it started as a simple question of whether or not the LE2 setup comes with rockers or not. You think maybe you jumped the gun?

I will not be bringing a car there, honestly I have no interest in building an LT1 engine to be perfectly honest. I enjoy racing and watching racing and thats why i'm going!

 

"Fluke" was not my word. Mine has run 12.0 @ 120 mph with a 1.84 sixty. I never claimed I could drive, and I'm the first to admit it. I would not be offended if you said my driving skills sucked.

I cannot disagree with anything you've said.

That's all that matters.

You're correct - there are many things that can 'go wrong' with anybody's set-up, it even happens to the 'big names' occasionally. Nobody here is infallible, but there is a known range certain cams fall into, and for the most part, their behavior can be predicted for a given application. The only way this turned into a bash is that I believe that there is no correlation between what Lingenfelter would give you and what BRE would give you - their knowledge base isn't even compariable. We're comparing real-world R&D costing millions versus a young guy using a laptop program and profiting from his 'real-world' testing and failures at others' expense. You choose your route; I'll choose mine.

And whether I jumped the gun or not isn't even relevant....the original question was between LPE211/219 or LE2. The rocker question was secondary. I also believe I clarified the 'junk' comment - it was not meant to be offensive. I call my junk 'junk' and I think Javier understands this clearly.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree about the 'BRE way'.

Wait...you don't have an LT1 in anything?

I enjoy racing too

 

Thats your belief, and I have no problem with you thinking that...but again its not based on 100% facts so you developed your own conclusion. That alone shows you have some sort of brain...which is certainly a step up from alot of what i have seen you post previously. Lingenfelter has done alot of R&D and perhaps one of the pioneers to this game...but that doesn't mean that new technology won't be better. I also know that Bret doesn't rely soley on a laptop program, or let others be guinea pigs for things he wants to try. In the same aspect, Bret sets things up different ways then the norm...and it works well for him and the majority of his customers which does not include you or the other people that blindly bash him because he thinks outside the box. I would validate your statement if Bret sat behind a keyboard all day long on forums and all he did was pick spec's out of a hat...but he doesn't.....he builds engines, and he sets his own stuff up the same way he would set yours. If it was all tests out of curiosity do you think he would set his own stuff that way? How many setups of Bret's do YOU personally know of, and please don't include any internet searches. I would like to know of this first hand knowledge you have developed your opinion with.

Correct, I have absolutely nothing with an LTx engine anymore.

 

So explain how BRE embraces this new technology? The only way he has to test his theories is in a direct application (i.e. customer's car on the customer's dollar). Am I missing something?

 

Are you naive enough to believe that a customer calls Bret for a cam and he just sends them some magical prototype and charges them for it? No hes not some huge company that can afford to have multiple vehicles to test parts on. He has had plenty of customers that would love to buy into his theories because he has proven to have the knowledge...instead he works a deal with them where they get the parts at cost and try them out. That alone is valuable R&D but you won't read about it every time his name gets mentioned here. How about Comp cams, do you think they test every cam in the library to get direct comparisons? Do you think when you call them, they dont use some sort of computer program to help choose a cam?

 

I have said what I need to say, SS MPSTR if you would like to continue to converse feel free through PM. I kinda feel bad helping make this thread go off topic!

 

i am very happy with my le setup, as well as many other people

just remember the people who dont like it dont have it, and cant come up with any reasons why they dont

 

I haven't seen a whole lot of any cars run the same ET's much less MPH as I have with a comperable LE package in a full weight M6 car. As soon as I do then I'll like it. Until then...

 

this would be much more informative if the mud tossin would stop.
there is proof that LE/Brett combos work,LPE has worked long before the Lt1 and will continue,AI combos work! It comes down to who you feel most comfortable with some really dig the CNC ported package some like the old school way of porting.is this really a reason to bash the suppliers of performance orientated parts that they create,i would have to say NO!
To each his own.....

 

Other than Clint and Javier heres a few more.........................
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=507694
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https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=494689
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https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=466976
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=556348

Goto page 9 and start reading to refresh your memory
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=532211

Oh and I passed the Ontario sniffer test with no problems too

 

Too old and tired to read through all that crap. Cliff notes? I do recall you complaining I was running at a sea level track...

 

oh c'mon now.. you know I coulda done that too

then again i just got home from the bar w/ the wifey.. so what the hell do I know.

 

I cant stand reading threads about LE/BRE and the same 2 people coming in to bash EVERYTIME. Brett got banned, but it seems there may be a double standard here......

 

uh, mediocre performance from most? Does yours perform above the 'norm'? Just curious.

 

I'm all ears my friend - do explain the double standard.