That's highly debatable. The CNC program for the heads is relatively the same as what's used on the LT1 casting. LPE claims maybe a 10 flywheel hp gain using LT4's.
There are none that I know of. In the 6 years I had this setup I've never come across another one set up the same way. Why is that you ask? Because everyone thought LPE was overpriced and they were comparing LPE to what Craig was churning out with his prices. Also because GTP was making MANY combinations that were in the 11's. Especially around the Houston area. As I've said before I used to get busted on all the time because out of many many cars on here I was one of the slower full weight cars back in the lat '90s and early 2000's.
There are five cars in the 17 you've posted that may fit what I was originally typing about. Not sure why you included LE3 and stroker engines in the mix.
The fact of the matter is many times before dyno numbers have been posted that are in the alleged 400+rwhp range and less than acceptable times have resulted. If you haven't read that on this site you are blind. Ask around. On LE's very website it gives alleged rwhp figures of what each package should run yet it's hardly ever the case.
You can spin it that way if you wish. Me, my brothers from different mothers see it another. So what now?

 

OK debate it all you want. The LT4 heads are a better starting point, and 10 hp flywheel is still extra HP. You prove my point, you have the only full weight M6 with the 211/219 that ran 12.09@115...and yet you act like you set the bar. Congrats on your one and a million accomplishment.

LE3 setups are still nothing more then ported stock heads, and a bit more radical cam so why shouldn't they be included then? I'm guess LE's pricing is similar or less then what you paid for your LPE setup years ago....you mind telling how much you paid for your heads? Its comparable because its still ported stock heads/and aftermarket cam...just like what you got. Strokers shouldn't be included in results? Thats news to me, since its been over 10 years since the last LT1 F body was produced....engines need rebuilds, some get strokers...apparently thats not allowed. Tell that to your bro thats running a stroker with ported LT4 heads running just 120mph.
So now we are on the dyno talk again? I posted yesterday what I thought the majority of full bolt on cars were running as far as ET/MPH went. I did that math and those results all fall into that category, so what are you arguing about? The cars make power, DYNO proven all over the country.....so what is it some huge conspiracy?

 

I guess I should place my excuses here too - DA that day was 2700' I don't regularly post it, because it was a while ago, crappy DA, high humidity, crappy track prep, it had a miss, slipping clutch, and Mars was not aligned with Pluto.

Good f'ing grief, Charlie Brown.

 

I am not saying anything against you.....I'm using you as an example. You have a stroker with Ai ported LT4 heads trapping 120, thats not bad....but apparently your stroker results don't count in the H/C world. If we went by SS RRR standards your car should be trapping 130. Seriously, your MPH fits in exactly what I posted previously that was exactly my point.

I have said it a ton of times already, the cars that go faster stock or with bolt ons are the cars that are gonna go faster when modded more heavily. I believe I remember SS RRR saying his car went a certain ET/MPH when stock, and although I don't recall exactly how fast that was....it was faster then the average LT1 car. I believe it was around a 13.6@102. Javier went faster cam only then alot of people here as well, and he performs better then most of the other LE cars, same from Clint, and the other guy thats had a number of good performing LE setups, Brady always makes the LE/BRE setups perform well too.

It just seems the 2 of you just keep beating a dead horse as always. Let it go, everyone has preferences with who they choose to use for performance parts....thats why there are a billion different companies. You don't chose Lloyd or Bret, thats fine they don't seem to care....but enough already. What happened to the days of choosing based on experience. Neither of you have their work on your cars, and my guess is if you did....You would make it run well with attention to details. I have spoken to a few people now that have wondered why Lloyd isn't sponsoring the board anymore. I don't know why, but I can tell ya this. If I had a business why would I sponsor a board with guys that constantly bash my product without ever having experience with it? Take a look around, most of us are here because we are car enthusiasts, well he was a long time sponsor and was one of the members to help keep this message board alive. So choose to work with whoever you want, but you should be ashamed for making personal attacks about his product because he isn't YOUR choice for a H/C package. You both said you would choose LPE over the LE2 setup, which is what the original question was...what more would you like to add?

 

So what does an auto car trap? Def not the same as a 6speed. I swapped to an auto in my car and lost 4 mph but run the same et.

With an emission setup I don't see that happening especially when the car is full weight.

 

And if I recall correctly you did not have the Turbonator installed that day either.

 

I have also moved on the motor is different along with an auto trans now. I have no desire to dig into this further being as we've been through the details at least twice in the past 2 years and came out with the same ending.

Man I wish the snow would go away so I could get my car out

 

same here...96flame. I can't wait for spring, Wyoming winter's are unforgiving...

 

Funny how when someone else says their working out the bugs, you "usually" tell them their times are crap and they are never going to be fast using LE/BRE. But now you need what, another four years to work out some issues and post some track times?
Family, I'm lucky enough to have one too, plus a new addition, my daughters husband to be. They will be living with us, to save up enough money to get their own place. You have a new house, nice, we just re did a whole floor of the house, including a new full bath, plus other improvements to the 2nd floor. I still found time to hit the track twice last year.
And last but not least, my cost per performance. Is this something that bothers you. It's up there, but not really that bad, we all know it costs to go faster. No big newsflash there. But considering I'm still running the stock shortblock, trans, and rearend it might not be as much as you think.
And for the umpteenth time, never said my turd (as you like to call mine and others) was fast. But at least I post track times to help others know what I have and where I'm at, as far as ET. Have guys done better with less? Damn right. Am I faster then some? Yes, including some with more cubes and mods then mine. But hey, you have a good day, and post up the LPE link if you would.

 

Dyno... neat. How about THE TRACK? Not so much.
You can do whatever it is you want on whatever examples you want to give. I should've been more clear in stating stock cubes/emissions legal cam. Is a LE3 setup legitimately emissions legal?
Why not just throw in big blocks from Smokey Yunick and a F1 engine to boot.
The bottom line is LE/BRE as well as Overton's stuff never impressed me. The LE quality control things I've seen with some members complaining from past (at least 2 years ago) to present raises some huge red flags if I were looking at sending my cash to someone. GTP is what impressed me. It's a shame his rep. went into the ****ter...

No, actually I've only told you that because of some of the most ridiculous things I've read from your keyboard and because you believe for what you've done I should be impressed. I'm not. I know you're trying to convince me otherwise, but it's not going to work.
Good for you, super guy! Is there some sort of problem with how I conduct my personal business? What.. I'm to have some sort of agenda w/ this board and what I do or you slop off how my car is imaginary? Don't be stupid.
You mouthed off about it before to me on one of these threads before you realized what little I did to mine to run what I did. You bring it up again and have PM'd me DOZENS of times begging for me to take you and your car seriously. Sorry. Not going to happen.
You're perfectly able to find it yourself or pick up the phone and talk to them, good board citizen...

 

I haven't read all of this thread, but looking at the latest few posts, I don't need to. Guys, you do know better than to carry on here like this. It is really getting stale and wrecking someone else's thread to argue about pointless stuff is just not cool. Keep it elsewhere.

And for those who keep saying LE is a sponsor here, they haven't been for many months. Just setting the record straight.