you are correct, I noticed my flaw but I had to leave and couldn't fix it.
He had an LT1, now has an LS1.
When I tore down my engine after I spun a rod bearing I had 4 failed comp R lifters. they were set between .002" and .006" preload just as suggested. I reset the valves 3 times and was very meticulous with it. for no damn reason at all they failed. I call that a ****ty design.

 

Nice... now can you answer the other part of my question? I ask again... just because Comp/Acell sells the cam does that mean they designed the grind?

It'd be nice if we ("we" as in the rest of cz28.com. Not my peoples...) could see more results like that. I still refuse to believe the reason why the MAJORITY of LE/BRE setups run what's been portrayed on this board all too many times is because of the excuses given.

 

Hey man, it's almost midnite. You haven't called yet, at least according to TW. I thought you wanted information. Happy to ablige. Better yet, don't block your number and I'll call you back on my nickle. Such a deal.

It's still early in Chicago. I'm up for a call from there also. We have all the cool stuff like call waiting here in the hills, so I won't miss it if I'm tallking with vilkata.


Jon (aka Jack) Bauer

 

Thanks for posting that link. Everyone here should read it...a couple times. It may get a few of you thinking.

That is an excellent example of intelligent discussion of porting, etc. Perhaps the mildly technical stuff was over way your head, and you focused in on what you relate to...some comments about people and politics. I'd like to hear your technical input to that discussion...I really would.

If anyone is going to post on hardcore, have something useful to bring to the table. Too bad that's not the case here.

Here's another thread to study. You'll find there is very little cut-and-paste from other authors. You may not hear some of this stuff elsewhere. Read it thru, then come back here and let's discuss the finer points.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...er=asc&start=0

There are certainly some fascinating people in this thread.

Jon

 

countdown to trolls invading speedtalk....3...2...1.....


First rule of speedtalk is you don't talk about speedtalk lol.

 

You need to get spell check working, CTH. It's Bret, not Bert, and there are 2 S's in OldSStroker. The SS relates to an Impala SS in my case, as well as to SStrokerAce (get the play on words?), whose screen name relates to his Camaro SS. Get it? I didn't think so.

My screen name goes deeper: look up Stroker McGurk, Tom Medley's cartoon creation. He had some neat sayings way back in the day when I was a young gearhead. Now I'm more partial to Oscar Wilde. Read much of his stuff? German guy, right? You read much of Gordon P. Blair's stuff? I'd like to discuss his views if you wish.

I'm from a town called Elmira, but I decided not to call myself the Elmira *****. It just didn't roll off the tongue like "CTH".

If you really want to talk, give me a call. You should be able to reach me if you read this whole thread. Time to "put up or..." well, you know the rest.

Jon

 

Why do you even ask that question?? Anyone that knows anything about parts knows you can call up Comp and have any specs you want ground into a cam if you give them the specs...which obviously vl didn't know by asking if Bret ground his own cams....Bret supplies the specs just like LPE supplies the specs..so for those that claim Bret does not "build" his own cams..well neither does LPE..they do exactly the same thing.

Oh, and I didn't buy either cam from Comp BTW so Comp wasn't selling anything to me directly.

 

qft

 

The reason why I asked is because I thought you were implying something negative about LPE by quoting "great" when referring to LPE. Ain't no thang.

 

Comp uses a very costly CNC Okuma cam grinder to do the lobes. Landis makes another beautiful CNC cam grinder. (I'm in the grinding business, hence the verbal drool.) They are both super accurate, but unless the actual lobe design is done correctly, the cam may give the valvetrain fits. GIGO

OK, so the current way to actually design a new lobe (to go along with the thousands that already exist) is to use some nice, but exotic software which costs north of $25K. Comp, among some other major players has this...perhaps mulltiple versions of this kind of software, and perhaps stuff customzed for them. Now we are talking 100's of thou in software. Could a Cup team have this stuff? Why not? It's only money, and the talent to use it. Does Bret have this software. Not hardly. Does he need it? Not hardly.

In some series of lobes, the cam guy can pick from durations in 1 or 2 degree increments. If you did the numbers, you could spec literally thousands of cams for an LT1 just from the Comp lobe library. Hmmmm. Do we really need a brand new ($2000) lobe? Rarely, but it's possible if it is really needed.

The trick is, of course, picking the correct lobes and their centerlines to go with the specific engine/vehicle combination. That's what makes different cams GROUND by Comp work differently. Different folks use different methods to choose lobes and centerlines. "Lobes and centerlines" covers duration, agressiveness, lift, LCA and advance/retard, BTW.

Some folks go about choosing valve events scientifically, some empirically, or some just us the RE method of cam design. (Rectal Extraction for the PC folks aboard). I'll leave it up to your imagination who uses what. I'm sure Rs and Mr. P will draw their own conclusions and inform of of "how it is".

Enough OT technical stuff. Back to the Equine Scatology thread.

Jon

 

lol - I wonder how many people are pulling up wikipedia right now...

 

Elmira Grinding Works, Inc.
311 Main St., P.O. Box 370
Wellsburg, NY 14894
Phone: 607-734-1579
Fax: 607-734-7593

Doesn't sounds like Bauer Racing to me?

 

I love that in all of the parental support you offer in this thread, you still either won't answer the questions, or can't. Nobody argues the quasi-technical literary masturbation you keep bringing up - nor do they care. Simply answer the questions regarding the performance resume/qualifications/credentials/boasts of being the best, without some silly, irrelevant, peotic diatribe.

Prove that the BRE "scientific" or "empirical" method for cam lobe selection is anything more than RE, other than what you glean from other's posted experience. Between the pops/son tag-team of the patronly poet and the (e-thug) poser, this has really gotten pathetic and has at minimum, demonstrated the impeccible character of the vast BRE empire

 

Well, I gotta say, that was some funny stuff right there

 

You had me with impeccible. I didn't think you meant impeccable, which means faultless or without sin....but perhaps you did. Gee, gosh!

I sorta like "patronly poet".

You are a fascinating individual.