Street cam with torque(full precise details)
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This has nothing to do with Lloyd. He has his own problems. The flamboyant cam grinder is the one on target in this thread. If you were unbiased and read some of these threads with all the "I am that good.." flamboyance along with all these less-than-interesting track times perhaps you'd understand why credentials have been asked for.
As far as "convincing" anyone all I'm doing is what I said I wasn't going to do... respond to the Q&A. Shame on me.
Maybe... I'm not sure I want to pontificate the "shoulda/coulda/woulda work" right now.
As far as "convincing" anyone all I'm doing is what I said I wasn't going to do... respond to the Q&A. Shame on me.
Maybe... I'm not sure I want to pontificate the "shoulda/coulda/woulda work" right now.
+ the all the extra torque the 396 makes...
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Didn't read the forum rules that stated such....can you point me to where it states you need to pretend to have qualifications to post questions? I did read where personal insults are not tolerated, however...
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Yeah I am interested also.
Originally Posted by jimlab
Turning the microscope on you, Bret, someone might say the same thing you're accusing Chuck of applies to "Bauer Racing Engines". Do you or your father have professional racing experience using your own engines? Do you have customers who race professionally with your engines? Do they win? Someone could just as easily say you were trying to make a profit from an implied association with professional racing to sell your services when you have no experience or customer history to prove that your engines do, indeed, win actual races.
I don't feel that Chuck is trying to take credit for anything he didn't accomplish. If he is, then I'd have to say "Bauer Racing Engines" was in the same boat. Admit it, you were trying to sound professional and legitimate when you selected that name instead of being just a father and son team that built an engine in their garage and showed up at the Engine Masters competition with it. Am I wrong?
I don't feel that Chuck is trying to take credit for anything he didn't accomplish. If he is, then I'd have to say "Bauer Racing Engines" was in the same boat. Admit it, you were trying to sound professional and legitimate when you selected that name instead of being just a father and son team that built an engine in their garage and showed up at the Engine Masters competition with it. Am I wrong?
Originally Posted by Engine Masters Website
BRET BAUER
Pine City, NY
Did Not Finish
Bret and his father Jack were very anxious to get their results. The Chevy they designed and assembled had been researched from top to bottom, with the Bauer's using all of their engineering skills to develop a solid entry. Unfortunately, the engine began losing oil pressure soon after we fired it up, and after double-checking the gauges, it was determined that the pressure loss was considerable. We felt bad for them, but a post-operative teardown found the oil pump stud nut loose, and this single fastener was responsible for benching the Bauer's this year. They swear they'll be back for more, as our format truly appeals to them. To show what great sports they are, the Bauer's hung around throughout our testing to assist any other competitor who may have needed a hand with anything. Even though they weren't able to get results on their entry, we feel this selfless act says plenty about this father/son team, and we look forward to seeing them again in the future.
Pine City, NY
Did Not Finish
Bret and his father Jack were very anxious to get their results. The Chevy they designed and assembled had been researched from top to bottom, with the Bauer's using all of their engineering skills to develop a solid entry. Unfortunately, the engine began losing oil pressure soon after we fired it up, and after double-checking the gauges, it was determined that the pressure loss was considerable. We felt bad for them, but a post-operative teardown found the oil pump stud nut loose, and this single fastener was responsible for benching the Bauer's this year. They swear they'll be back for more, as our format truly appeals to them. To show what great sports they are, the Bauer's hung around throughout our testing to assist any other competitor who may have needed a hand with anything. Even though they weren't able to get results on their entry, we feel this selfless act says plenty about this father/son team, and we look forward to seeing them again in the future.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...302_beasteast/
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Turning the microscope on you, Bret, someone might say the same thing you're accusing Chuck of applies to "Bauer Racing Engines". Do you or your father have professional racing experience using your own engines? Do you have customers who race professionally with your engines? Do they win? Someone could just as easily say you were trying to make a profit from an implied association with professional racing to sell your services when you have no experience or customer history to prove that your engines do, indeed, win actual races.
I don't feel that Chuck is trying to take credit for anything he didn't accomplish. If he is, then I'd have to say "Bauer Racing Engines" was in the same boat. Admit it, you were trying to sound professional and legitimate when you selected that name instead of being just a father and son team that built an engine in their garage and showed up at the Engine Masters competition with it. Am I wrong?
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...302_beasteast/
Turning the microscope on you, Bret, someone might say the same thing you're accusing Chuck of applies to "Bauer Racing Engines". Do you or your father have professional racing experience using your own engines? Do you have customers who race professionally with your engines? Do they win? Someone could just as easily say you were trying to make a profit from an implied association with professional racing to sell your services when you have no experience or customer history to prove that your engines do, indeed, win actual races.
I don't feel that Chuck is trying to take credit for anything he didn't accomplish. If he is, then I'd have to say "Bauer Racing Engines" was in the same boat. Admit it, you were trying to sound professional and legitimate when you selected that name instead of being just a father and son team that built an engine in their garage and showed up at the Engine Masters competition with it. Am I wrong?
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...302_beasteast/
The nearest business listing is a dba Bauer Motorsports in Syracuse, NY.
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Because my heads cracked and my valve guides shot out of the heads and the LPE cam broke in half and my car caught on fire and I was forced to sell it for only a dollar and then I lost my job and my house and my dog and now I'm wandering the streets of DC and I have Lingenfelter to blame for everything. Is that what you wanted to read? 
It's because I have been saving my pennies to build the engine I just threw into my car last Saturday. I didn't want to waste any more money on the hodge podge setup I threw together after running the LPE cam.
It's because I have been saving my pennies to build the engine I just threw into my car last Saturday. I didn't want to waste any more money on the hodge podge setup I threw together after running the LPE cam.
Let us know when your finished with the current set-up and have some track times. I'll bet we could have some more fun with that. You up for it?
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I have absolutely no explanation as to why you're the golden boy of the LE/BRE setups, but you are. You are the only one on this board w/ however many LE/BRE setups there are who is running decent numbers. I as well as others have never seen such a thing before. If there were more than just you running good mph then I wouldn't post up any doubts like I am now. It's difficult to say it's not the product when there is only proof (at least on this site) of one individual doing well with said product.
It's the same ole LE2 heads everyone else gets. The LE3 cam grinds are done by Comp so there's no way for me to get something special or different.
So I have the same thing to work with that everyone else did, and get better results.
Being in Florida I run at sea level, but as posted the DA when I ran my 11.3x runs varied b/w 900-1000' on the two nights I was out. Raceweight is that of a fully loaded stock Z28 with weld prostars all around + the weight of a Ford 9"... no reduction done to my car at all. Figure 3330 + the weight diff of a Ford 9" to a 10 bolt + 170lbs for me.
In any case, I'll enjoy going to the track this season, actually racing and working towards my goal while you guys are busy on the keyboard. When was the last time either one of you actually did some racing anyways? I haven't stopped racing since I started back in 2000.. hell this motor was done in a few months, and most of that time was waiting on parts shipments
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You get some interesting information (or lack there of) when searching for LLC, patent or other publicly available legal business information regarding "Bauer Racing Engines" as well. All I was able to find was a land line listed under Jon Bauer's name in Pine City, NY. But that appears to be a residence. :dunno:
The nearest business listing is a dba Bauer Motorsports in Syracuse, NY.
The nearest business listing is a dba Bauer Motorsports in Syracuse, NY.
Jon
(or "Jack" to Scott Parkhurst, then of PopRod)
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I guess you can read what I wrote HOW YOU WANT TOO.
When it comes down to it, I personally and professionally know Ed. All I did was stand up for him in that post and you go an try and twist what a few people said into something that suits your agenda.... good luck with that. From what I can gather from your other posts is your agenda is about guns and criminal justice (must be a cop) and promoting Ai/AFR. That's about 3 strikes against you in my book. So I guess I can expect the attacks to keep coming from you as well.
Bret
When it comes down to it, I personally and professionally know Ed. All I did was stand up for him in that post and you go an try and twist what a few people said into something that suits your agenda.... good luck with that. From what I can gather from your other posts is your agenda is about guns and criminal justice (must be a cop) and promoting Ai/AFR. That's about 3 strikes against you in my book. So I guess I can expect the attacks to keep coming from you as well.
Bret
As to the rest of your post, there's no agenda on my part other than to seek disinterested information. Are you sure you've read all my posts?
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you guys are malicious towards bret. my LE3 383 car never performed well at the track (I ran a 12.7 @ 113 spinning like crazy) but on the street it beat up on quite a few cars. I beat a 350 rwhp LS1 pretty badly. I was even with a 400 whp SRT-4. I beat up on a 370 awhp evo pretty good. I even raced a sprayed 480 rwhp trans am that ran upper 11s @ 122 and stayed within 5 cars of him from 40-130. this all with me being an automatic and technically having the disadvantage from a roll race. this was all from lloyd/bret products that they made 3 years ago. I know they have both gotten alot better now.
one way you could tell whos car has more power is to race eachothers cars at the same track on the same day against eachother (instead of bench racing, what a concept?) and most likely whoever wins will have the better suspension setup. only real way to judge power is to go from a roll. I know roll racing is gay but the races I listed pretty much proved to me that even with no tuning and 4 failed comp R lifters that my car moved out pretty damn good. it takes some power to stay even with a 400 whp car that weighs 600 lbs less than you...
one way you could tell whos car has more power is to race eachothers cars at the same track on the same day against eachother (instead of bench racing, what a concept?) and most likely whoever wins will have the better suspension setup. only real way to judge power is to go from a roll. I know roll racing is gay but the races I listed pretty much proved to me that even with no tuning and 4 failed comp R lifters that my car moved out pretty damn good. it takes some power to stay even with a 400 whp car that weighs 600 lbs less than you...
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And this is at the (607) 732-5xxx number?
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Actually he has Comp cams grind the cams for him. He has no proprietary lobes just ones he mixes and matches out of the comp master lobe catalog. No back magic there just a little knowledge of valve events and how they effect an engines operation