Some of you guys are missing the point. I don't know Bret, I don't care to, I don't care what makes him good or bad at what he does - it doesn't matter anyway. I just want answers to the questions of credibility, substantiation to the BS claims, and proof that all these fantasmic high performance engines/cars actually exist with proven results. Why is this concept so difficult to understand?

If there was any substance to the claims, they would have been posted many pages ago, and nobody would have to endure the countless, irrelevant & pitiful posts in defense of the great internet legend.

 

Yep, and SS MPSTR, who's not getting the point here. The few or the many?

 

no answers from you either, eh? Surprise there.

 

Here we go again. I tried to stay out of this thread but it just kept going. I had a cam only car that ran 110mph so I know it doesn't take 400rwhp to do it. Your combo worked very well although I'm sure most people missed the 40* part. What did it run on 80* days? Heres a quote from the track website MIR's elevation is only 80'! That's why so many records are made at our facility!

I have one of the emission grind LE2 setups and have ran a best of 12.14@115mph in a 3800lbs car. Our elevation is 650ft and humidity is always high and the best temp I would see is 65*. Give me the 40* temp you had and I'm sure it'd be in the 11's. 99% of the LE cars are street cars and need alot better tuning than what has been done. If it wasn't so much work to swap cams I'd toss in a LE2 cam and see what my car would do. The prob with bigger cammed cars is that they aren't reving them as high as needed to get the results because of stock bottom ends. I know excuses excuses but its reality.

Everytime these threads come up its the same SS RRR and SS MPSTR causing problems. I'm not the only one picking up on this trend. Unless you're gonna help people out by giving them advice don't bother posting. If you have a prob with someone thats what pms are for.

P.S. In case you haven't figured out through all your searching on LE and BRE results its not the heads or cams thats the problem its the tuning...............

 

Yet more excuses. Now it's tuning and track elevation. Everyone has them except for the individual(s) these questions have been posed to.
I have no secrets here. I've posted my results over and over again. On 80* days the car would see 113 to 114mph. Again... it dyoned 370rwhp. Many of these combos show graphs in the 400rwhp range. My car was also in the 114mph range at Texas Motorplex which is ~700ft. ele. on 60* days and 112 to 113 during the hot summer months. Like I said... enough of the Q&A. PM me if there's anything else you want to know.

 

Look who's back is against the wall now. I asked one simple question and I get told "enough of the Q&A". I have no desire to ever speak to you through pm's. I posted up the facts you were looking for and you answered my single question.

Are they really excuses............anyone that wants to compare track numbers as frequently as you should know that theres elevation and DA calculators so that numbers from across the country can be compared.

P.S. Who's quoting dyno numbers now................

 

I feel as though I've missed a good discussion.

 

I've stated the rwhp and mph my car produced in a few different climates and that's a problem? As if no LE/BRE heads/cam combos from this board has EVER ran at a sea level track in good weather conditions? C'mon man... you've got nothing. I've ALWAYS been consistent with this. The reason why I supplied my dyno numbers is to point out it doesn't take over 400hp to turn low 12's @ 115mph in the average full weight f-body.
I find it fascinating that some of these combos have produced an alleged 400+rwhp and turn less than 115mph yet now the excuses flow that it's track conditions, it's the weather conditions, it's the tool behind the tool, it's mismatched components, it's the tune... blah blah blah blah. I don't buy it. If it were only a handful then it'd be more believable, but it's everyone except Javier. If you're going to assemble a coop then you and your conglomerates should get your excuses straight as to what actually is to blame before making it public. Just a suggestion.
Also... before you decided to post nothing about nothing I had stated the Q&A was over a few posts before you decided to get involved. So if you have anything legitimate to add like cold hard facts that prove me wrong then by all means. I'd much rather read that then just another excuse from another board member.
As far as your package is concerned it doesn't sway me at all. The GTP heads/306 cam cars I posted of earlier that were running at Texas Motorplex some 10 to 12 years ago were full interrior and in the high 11's at 117 to 119mph. No one at that point knew a whole lot about tuning other than to piggy back a DFI onto the PCM and change a few parameters here and there. So why should I be impressed? Especially when the LE2 package is more agressive than the 211/219 package I ran. Oh... wait... neither of us know that because neither of us know the top secret cam grinds. What I do know is in an idle comparo you would've been greatly confused if we would've lined up and I either keep up or beat you in my stock idling car.
It's good that you can go low 12's and that there are individuals who still screw around with LT1 stuff. That's great you can go faster than when your car was stock. What gets me is that these packages are being sold as if they are covering new ground as well as fantasmic dyno numbers with REAL questionable trap speeds as well as the boisterous "I am good..." cam grinder who has yet to prove how he is good.

P.S. Would you like to read the slew of excuses why I didn't get into the 11's with my LPE combo? I didn't think so.

 

Answers to what? Maybe I can help you out. I doubt it, but I'm willing to try. I like this game. We're still Internet friends, right? Oh, and when I have something to say, I try and use as few words as possible, hope you don't mind. That's because I'm not all that well read, so don't expect me to very bright and witty.

 

Here's one, Post number 5......
http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633048
Setup is in his sig.

And read post number 7 too. "broke 450hp"

Here's another one.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread...4&page=2&pp=10
Post #14 12.15 at 115mph. in his sig

There's 3 right off your Little ls1tech site.

 

Yeah track elevation and weather condtions is a "slew of excuses" . With my numbers corrected for comparison sake I'm running the same ET/MPH as you with a very similar combination. Show me some other LT1/4 LPE combos with great results.

 

Nice numbers. Race weight?
No link. If it's just dyno numbers, what's the point.
A dyno graph with ET's and no other information. Brilliant.
It's a start, but need more info.

 

Thats mine

 

They are similar combos? How similar? Cam grind info? Pass e-check? Smooth-as-stock idle?
I can't give you any other LPE combos because no one here has ever believe LPE would give good results. Why? Because people were getting great results with the GTP/306 combo when I decided to go conservative. Besides I am not here to say LPE is the greatest thing since the invention of the small block. I would hope because the application I chose was so mild that I would be one of the slower members here.
Sorry but you don't qualify. I don't want "correction" comparisons. It's just another variable to throw into the mix like these fantasmic 400+rwhp dynographs. I guess I could plug my numbers into a correction calculator and get a good solid 11.8 @ 117mph if need be...
Has anyone with a LE/BRE heads/cam combo ever run at a sea level track? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

 

Holly ****!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Is All This??????
Makes Me Want To By A Comp Cam Or Anything Else But A Custom Grind!