Street cam with torque(full precise details)
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SS MPSTR is an AI customer that ran mediocre times at best with a slew of excuses of why it ran poorly....he would also fall into the category that SS RRR would be faster then with less power. For everyone else Bret Bauer is not the only one who spec's cams and won't give out specs until you buy it, in fact just about every good custom cam guy that I contacted before Bret did the same thing....so the scam comment doesn't hold water. Also there are others out there that have LE packages, with help from Bret & Joe O that ran good times. There are more then just 3-4 just take some time and look around.
You keep bringing up Lloyd...what does any of this have to do with Lloyd? He's got his own issues of QC to deal with in another thread...
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OBTW...
Yes I now know my setup was cheaper. Why? Because to achieve the listed dyno numbers and track times I've mentioned with the LPE setup I did it with a stock fuel pump, stock injectors, stock FPR, stock full SLP 2OTL exhaust (ORY) with no cut-out, completely stock suspension and stock heavyass 17" wheels up front and 16" '97 style wheels in the rear w/ ET Streets.
Just thought I'd share. Pardon me while I gloat.
Yes I now know my setup was cheaper. Why? Because to achieve the listed dyno numbers and track times I've mentioned with the LPE setup I did it with a stock fuel pump, stock injectors, stock FPR, stock full SLP 2OTL exhaust (ORY) with no cut-out, completely stock suspension and stock heavyass 17" wheels up front and 16" '97 style wheels in the rear w/ ET Streets.
Just thought I'd share. Pardon me while I gloat.
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...and pilfer through all the slew of excuses right? My shortblock was crap - that's just one excuse. Are you on Bret's payroll now, or just wearing the skirt and pom-poms? you still miss the question and the point of all this, and laughed aloud when you grouped Bert with a 'good' cam guy. Out of curiousity, what other 'good' cam guys would you group him with? Joe Overton? Joe O. has already publicly aired his gripe about Bret's 'incompetency' and lack of credentials, so I'm not sure that good cam guy would appreciate being lumped with a lump.
You keep bringing up Lloyd...what does any of this have to do with Lloyd? He's got his own issues of QC to deal with in another thread...
You keep bringing up Lloyd...what does any of this have to do with Lloyd? He's got his own issues of QC to deal with in another thread...
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You write some fairly long and impassioned posts for someone who doesn't care.
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Call him or email him and see for yourself, do you really need some internet punk to pry the info for you? When you want to purchase something you should always do research and call different vendors and see which YOU feel most comfortable with. You also have to take what many say on here with a grain of salt, many are making claims about a product they never have had. The 2 biggest porters that are debated here are LE/AI, and with results you'll find that the customers of each are very happy with the products, with some exceptions of course for both.
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Me as well as MANY others don't see value in almost all your posts. Most of the times you come off as in internet punk trying to stir the pot, plain and simple. I would see some sort of value in your question if infact it was a genuine question, whereas instead I know that you feel he doesn't have credentials nor does have any knowledge. You have stated that you know Phil from Ai, so perhaps your theories and comments about who is better should be taken with the weight they deserve? I also have heard Phils/Rons thoughts on the whole LE/BRE vendors, so it doesn't surprise me by what your thoughts are...you know being there friends and all!
Is there anyone who has done a truly independent test between the two in question?
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Can not one consider the questions the other people are posting to Bret as "attempts to do the research" to find out information. Its one thing to get information about a person/companies product second hand - that too has to be taken with a grain of salt. However I've found in buisness hearing directly from the company in question holds a lot more water.
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Have you tried speaking with him directly? or emailing directly?
If you are not getting information directly from the horse's mouth, the other alternative is to get it indirectly from the other end. There seems to be a lot of that going on.
If nothing else, this is a study in a few personalities.
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the last thing we need is someone else to stir the pot, i think thats been done enough
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Never said I have no idea what's going on. But how can one contact the company without information how to do so?
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Wow..... I think Colin nailed this one on the head. LOCK this SOB.
Either way now Ed Wright got linked in with me now.... I really wouldn't even go there, Ed is a dam good guy and someone who knows what he is doing I'll stand up for him anyday. Either way punks always talk smack is what this is getting to look like. BTW SS RRR don't you look thru PMs?
I also like how now it's a big consipracy now!
These dynos all lie too, I even make dynos with LS1's lie as well...
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=763
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=669
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=546
I really wanna hear more about that 9 sec L98 motor? I didn't know anything about that one?
BTW 89385formula is really my girlfriend
He likes that big camshaft I give to him.... all 422rwhp of it!
Bret
Either way now Ed Wright got linked in with me now.... I really wouldn't even go there, Ed is a dam good guy and someone who knows what he is doing I'll stand up for him anyday. Either way punks always talk smack is what this is getting to look like. BTW SS RRR don't you look thru PMs?
I also like how now it's a big consipracy now!
These dynos all lie too, I even make dynos with LS1's lie as well...
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=763
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=669
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=546
I really wanna hear more about that 9 sec L98 motor? I didn't know anything about that one?
BTW 89385formula is really my girlfriend
He likes that big camshaft I give to him.... all 422rwhp of it!Bret
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i would consider all of this getting involved in something you know nothing about
and this one just made me laugh, your getting all involved like you know what your talking about and you dont even realize that bret is bre, lol
you did not have to say it, you showed it with the above post
Can not one consider the questions the other people are posting to Bret as "attempts to do the research" to find out information? It is one thing to get information about a person/companies product second hand - that too has to be taken with a grain of salt. However I've found in business hearing directly from the company in question holds a lot more water.