I have absolutely no explanation as to why you're the golden boy of the LE/BRE setups, but you are. You are the only one on this board w/ however many LE/BRE setups there are who is running decent numbers. I as well as others have never seen such a thing before. If there were more than just you running good mph then I wouldn't post up any doubts like I am now. It's difficult to say it's not the product when there is only proof (at least on this site) of one individual doing well with said product.

 

I'd say my numbers are pretty decent given that I'm still running 3.23s behind the 6 speed and running at 1850' altitude. My car will trap 121-123 in good conditions once I get a decent gear behind the car and dyno tune it. Yeah, these are excuses for now, but nonetheless 119 is nothing to sneeze at given my current setup. It's obvious the LE2/4 setup is making good power.

 

I guess you can read what I wrote HOW YOU WANT TOO.

When it comes down to it, I personally and professionally know Ed. All I did was stand up for him in that post and you go an try and twist what a few people said into something that suits your agenda.... good luck with that. From what I can gather from your other posts is your agenda is about guns and criminal justice (must be a cop) and promoting Ai/AFR. That's about 3 strikes against you in my book. So I guess I can expect the attacks to keep coming from you as well.

Bret

 

Race weight? And you're running a 396?

 

Perhaps you missed the relevance here. Nowhere in the title or question of this thread did this question come up. So when did it become a thread started by SS MPSTR, wait it wasn't. SO....why don't you stop high-jacking threads with your constant BS claims? When you have some substantiating evidence of why you believe Bret is incapable of doing the job he is currently doing, start a thread and show it...at this point your doing nothing but creating lies.

 

questions = lies? Constant BS claims? Where have I claimed anything? Oh, wait...questions = claims now, right? Your lame defense is pathetic.

If you took Bret's big stick out for a minute, perhaps you'd see the silly logic. Please, put the pom-poms down, end this tea party and let the big man answer for himself.

 

Race weight is probably around 3500 # and DA was ~ 2500'. Yeah, it's a 396.

 

You are a clown. Did you miss what i said about hi-jacking the thread, back to topic clown. I'm not a cheerleader, just a voice of reason. Call Bret if you have any questions about him. Did you offer any technical suggestion for the question in the original thread?

 

What do you think your mph would've been with a stock short block and running the average 3600 to 3750lb raceweight like what has been discussed in this thread. Because you already have the added torque advantage of the 396 I really can't consider your setup in the equation.

 

You can play that game all day man. What if I had a 9" and the car was geared and I was racing at 500' DA, etc. Javier's 4000 stall outweighs the torque advantage I have with the stroker given that I'm pulling against a 3.23 gear through a 6 speed. I was responding to your comment about LE/BRE cars, and that's what I'm running.

In the same conditions as Javier ran in, as my car sits I'd expect to trap 121 or so. With a stock shortblock, not sure but I'd venture to say that it would probably trap 119-120 or so in the same conditions, then add a decent rear gear the MPH would increase a little. This is all just bench racing. The car ran an 11.7 @ 119 with the current setup in 2500' DA, analyze that how you will; don't really care.

 

According to my calculations, this thread will no longer fit
on a single roll of toilet paper . Can somebody verify this?

 

You are absolutely right and it would be pointless. This isn't about anything larger than stock cid, LE/BRE heads/cam packages since that is what has been discussed the most in this thread. I've asked (I think more than once) for those who've ran at sea level tracks to come forward with their numbers and I have yet to see anything that is up there with the "BRE is the bestest ever!" factor. So yes, because of the alt. of your track and the cid you are running you are disqualified. When there's a discussion about larger-than-stock cid LE/BRE heads/cam packages, run your setup at a sea level track set up optimally and then post results.

All of you just don't get it. It's not that I'm saying these packages are "bad" per se. It's just that these LE/BRE packages really aren't running anything that hasn't been covered a dozen or so years ago. Now I know that's insulting to the flamboyant cam grinder, but words and numbers hurt when they're true.

 

My LE2 heads cc'd out to ~217cc's so they probably would work alot better on a 396 than a 350-355 c/i motor.

 

Fair enough man, but if you've concluded that LE/BRE setups aren't anything special, then you've completed your research project. No need to try to convince everyone else, that's also pointless.

This isn't like LS1 cars where the head design has allowed for huge leaps and bounds over LT1 cars. The LT1 is simply a SBC with reverse cooled heads and an Opti, so the fact that guys were running similar numbers a dozen years ago is expected; guys have essentially been modifying these motors for the past 50 years and the LT1 head casting isn't anything special so we aren't going to see any earth shattering advancements in trap speeds because the platform simply hasn't changed much in the past 15 years.

I don't see Lloyd running around saying he has the best h/c package evar, but he does offer a decent head at a very reasonable price and is hitting the meat of the market. If guys want to swing on his nuts, so be it. It doesn't affect me, but if you enjoy arguing about it that's your choice. Lloyd's done well for himself and, IMO, he's given the budget minded guy a good head for a good price. If someone wants ported Trickflows, buy them.

 

This has nothing to do with Lloyd. He has his own problems. The flamboyant cam grinder is the one on target in this thread. If you were unbiased and read some of these threads with all the "I am that good.." flamboyance along with all these less-than-interesting track times perhaps you'd understand why credentials have been asked for.
As far as "convincing" anyone all I'm doing is what I said I wasn't going to do... respond to the Q&A. Shame on me.

Maybe... I'm not sure I want to pontificate the "shoulda/coulda/woulda work" right now.