Gee, I had that info? I like how you keep throwing little bits of information about your old set-up out there, one piece at a time. And this manual trapped what?

 

That was exactly my point way earlier when I asked where are all of the other cam designers/builders on this board and SS thought that was idiotic because LG and others were ran off...yeah I wonder why that would be no its because others could give rats *** about the LT1s now that the great LSx motors are dominate. My $ go to who I feel comfortable with and if that means its to those who frequent this board and support the LT1 crowd and give advice so be it, if their advice is deemed worthwhile and they are proven to be knowledgable, and with hundreds of happy customers that I have seen post on here over the years that is more than enough.

 

Huh?
What part of this in my sig:
Do you not understand? My sig hasn't changed for the entire time I've been a member here. What is your point? My point is you needed a $400+ torque arm in a 370rwhp auto car for traction?

 

My mistake, I thought you where talking about a car you use to have. And like I said about the fuel injectors, there are some things that get replaced when your looking to be quicker in the future. So this car trapped what, and what's in the future? Please don't make me go back and read all of this again.
And on another note, why haven't you gone quicker recently, than what you did "back in the day"?

 

Unfortunately, this comment resulted in this!

Which was then backed up by this…


Nailed what on the head? I’m surprised to see that someone is actually buying into this, but apparently it’s working.

Am I the only one to point out the pathetic attempt to muddy the name of Ed Wright by invoking the fallacy of composition?

It would have been much more effective if Ed was a “bad” tuner. Because he is known to be a great tuner, it’s much easier to deduce that he was given a low performing motor to tune in the first place.


And censoring speech is a wonderful tool to manipulate the thinking of the masses. Truly free speech results in truth. Forums do not represent platforms of truly free speech, but instead offer varying degrees of it. They are private entities that can choose to lock when they see fit. Because of that, we should give props to the moderators for allowing this pursuit of truth to continue unabated.

And nobody wants to know the lift OR duration of [that] cam.

 

While interesting, still not relevant. I have yet to bash any vendor - why is this so hard to comprehend? Since when is asking for substantiation for claims made or credentials considered bashing, vendor or not? This has nothing to do with being open minded, unless you consider 'substantiation' for countless engines built in a software program as being open minded?

If you were as open minded as you claim, seeing the question asked shouldn't bother you.

 

An interesting thread on LS1tech:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=756062

 

I'm not even sure I should hop in here after 17 pages of this thread. An hour of work set aside later I'm all caught up and notice my name has been posted a good number of times.

I'll be the first to admit after installing me LE/BRE stuff I was sweating bullets seeing the slew of mid 12 second stuff the crowd here was putting out. Hell, ask speed_demon as him and I spoke frequently throughout my build-up. I was ready to give up and dump an LSx into the thing and move on from this constant LT1 drama.

All that being said...

I don't get it how/why I'm the only stock (relatively) C.I. car putting down numbers that are respectable (I'll be the first to admit they're not spectacular, but they're decent given the $ I have into the thing), and noone else can.

It's not some big conspiracy (I don't think), but I got the same stuff everyone else has. Nothing special went into my heads by Lloyd, and Bret sent me the same ole LE3 that he sends anyone else. So if I can do it, don't see what everyone else's problem is.

I read earlier about "degreeing cams and why should you with Bret's stuff"... shouldn't everyone be careful with what they are putting in their own car? I was, found a problem, and corrected it. Isn't that part of hot-rodding? I think the problem is the "slap the part on and go" mentality that I see all too often on cz28.

My car is *so basic* and the times posted so far are from two track outings with a total of 4 runs so far.

As Kyle (89385formula) mentioned, my (at the time, 2004) spectacular 12.0 @ ~113 cam only pass back in the day started off as a whopping 12.80 car. It took some minor whittling to get the car where it is.

So...

Either I'm a damn lucky LE/BRE customer, or 80% of their customers really shouldn't be messing with this stuff.

I'm looking forward to the rest of this year and seeing what else I can squeeze out of this combo. 120+ traps or bust.... I think

Speaking of suspension.... mine is stock save for some LCA's... even have the stock torque arm in that puppy. Hell my pinion angle is probably off with the 9" Oh yah.. and that mail order tune.. thanks pcmforless

PS, I also don't give a rats *** about 400 rwhp dynoing cars.. especially the ones trapping 113-114. Something is wrong in those combos.. dunno where though. Trap speed shows the power.

 

I think you pretty much summed up the meat of this thread...There's lots of folks with over 400rwhp dyno sheets, but their traps speeds don't add up...The ETs don't concern folks because thats a function of traction...I guess there's some who question where the mph is with respect to the dyno numbers...You know I'm the first to say that dynos are just for tuning and that having the big number doesn't mean a lot to me...but the track slip sure does...

I do think that there's lots of LE/BRE combos out there, but I don't think everyone checks all the details like you did...Obviously the devil is in the details...I don't even dyno 400rwhp, but trap pretty good for my set up...I guess everyone is wondering why there's not a whole slew of cars with your trap speed...

--Alan

 

Javier you really hit the nail on the head. Attention to detail and putting in the *time* to learn your car and how to drive/set it up makes a huge difference. I have always made the largest improvements in my track times by focusing my attention on the details and putting in a lot of hours at the track driving/tuning the car. A lot of these guys with mid 12 second 113-115 mph cars either haven't put in the extra effort *yet*, or just expect to throw parts at the car and run good numbers.

 

Because my heads cracked and my valve guides shot out of the heads and the LPE cam broke in half and my car caught on fire and I was forced to sell it for only a dollar and then I lost my job and my house and my dog and now I'm wandering the streets of DC and I have Lingenfelter to blame for everything. Is that what you wanted to read?
It's because I have been saving my pennies to build the engine I just threw into my car last Saturday. I didn't want to waste any more money on the hodge podge setup I threw together after running the LPE cam.

 

Sounds like a bad country song

What do ya think tho.. based on all I wrote up there. Why is mine the only performing decent? I think you were the one mentioning my name in the thread, so just curious.

If I'm getting the same stuff as everyone else, it can't be in the product.. can it?

On that note, I think if I manage to crack the 120+ traps I plan to, I think Bret and Lloyd have surpassed the days of the GTP/CC306 days of 6spd cars going 117-118... my stuff is going through a 4000 stall and a 9" so the trap/power is there going close to 119.

 

It's all in the parts you choose and how the car is setup. You haven't done anything magical, just like you hadn't done anything magical when your cam only car was running low 12s. I didn't do anything special when my cam only car was running mid-low 12s, Saint didn't do anything special, and the list goes on. The difference is that you've put the time into your setup and are maximizing what you have. I bet a lot of these cars that trap 114 with a similar setup to yours would run better if these guys spent the time to get the bugs worked out and put in some hours as the track. Some of it also is the conditions. I don't know what the conditions were like when you ran your 11.3, but seeing as how you ran in March and are at sea level, the conditions were probably pretty decent. This isn't the only reason you ran well, but as you know, running in the heat of the summer makes quite a difference. What was the DA when you ran?

I think Lloyd has already surpassed the days of GTP/CC306 setups. My car will likely trap 121-123 once I get some decent gears behind it (still running 3.23s behind the 6 speed ), get it dialed in on the dyno and run in some 'great' weather.

 

I think Javier lives in Florida..That stinkin place is a sauna year round...I thought I remembered him saying that was fairly warm when he ran those times...The fact is,at least in our own little world of the interweb,there doesn't seem to be too many street car LT1s running 11.30s or better n/a...

--Alan

 

It looks like the average high in March for Jupiter Florida is 79*. I'm sure the humidity is high as well, but he is also running at sea level. With a pressure of 30" HG, 100% humidity, 70* and 0' altitude, the DA is 944' which is an excellent day in AZ. I'm sure Javier will chime in with the conditions.

I'm not trying to remove any credit, but I think some guys are dealing with much worse conditions than Florida can produce. Even in the most extreme conditions in Florida (95*, 100% humidity and 29.8" HG, 0' altitude) you are looking at 3000' DA. I know in AZ, in the spring/fall, 4000-5000' DAs are normal, and in the summer the DA is up around 5000-6000'. Again, not trying to argue or discredit because Javier's car runs great, but the conditions have a lot to do with the numbers we see online.