You can't be serious....
You loose.

 

yup, i let you bring me down to your level

but yet again no unhappy cutomers, thats cool though i guess there arent any,

"in this thread you will drum up buisiness for bre" should have been the title, hope thats what you were deep down inside trying for, especially now that you cant come up with any unhappy customers

 

Wow...
I can't handle the dumbness anymore.

 

once again just for the record, no unhappy customers

*patiently waiting for thread to be locked*

 

I know of at least one. That makes one unhappy customer and three cars that run respectable numbers with stock cid. Of course, that depends on if you're talking to someone who actually has a clue. For such a well established business that ratio seems VERY whacked, but with loyalists like you who don't care how your car performs, but will hand over money w/out a clue.. I mean care in the world, sheeple like you will always be satisfied and will be there to defend such a "business" for only God knows why. Maybe you have to believe in something?

 

Come one now, is this necessary? Why are we micro-classing it to stock CID now? So you really believe that there are only 3 cars running decent with a BRE cam in it... Its pretty obsurd to have talked yourself into that. When I did my research I found quite a few cars running good with LE/BRE stuff, but it wasn't just by finding threads posted with times....I contacted many people with there products to find not only very satisfied customers that would return for business but also multiple cars that ran in the neighborhood of what I was looking to run. I am sure there would be more if I had a list of all the people that purchased, that were not posting on internet forums. That was well over a year ago, so at this point now there are more I would assume. What I am saying is you can't judge how fast the majority of the cars on this site because many people don't post results. For whatever reason more people will post results because there car has a problem and didn't run what was forseen, this could be a dyno number they are basing predictions on even. Honestly I only post up results when I have an issue that I believe some other members could help me with, ie. suspension setup and what not. Do you think these people with low 12's@ 110-114 are posting up to brag? Also please believe that I have seen damn near the same amount of poorly running AFR headed engines as LE combos, would that mean that they offer a poor product?

 

The general consensus is that they are insulted that anyone so lacking in credentials could be so bold to brag that they are the best, and shouldn't have any problem listing them if they existed. I'm honoring their requests to remain anonymous, but trust that they do have credentials and have/work for recognized names in the industry.

 

I think he (Bret) just needs to establish a client list and their track times/mph...That's what sold me on Joe Overton's stuff when he was specing cams...The Lethalefi website was filled with cam only times, H/C times, strokers and his own car, etc...Thats what my decision to use him was based on...Not to mention that he is the LT1 n/a record holder...Those are some pretty good credentials, and I guess thats whats being asked of Bret...

I'm by no means a marketing genius, or a genius at all, but I would compile some customers track times and mph along with the dyno numbers...I'm thinking that would end this thread...

--Alan

 

Well there you go then. I'll just have to take that to the bank then. Thank you.

SS RRR, I hope you don't mind that I used one of your faces.

 

Why not have this thread deleted?...it's a free advertisement as you call it.

The thread link I posted to LS1Tech has been deleted, and while it did contain happy customers, who's voices were silenced arbitrarily, it also contained warnings that BRE's set up's come with a caveat. Supreme Court justices use a scale method to determine matters of public opinion, I guess we know what side weighed more. The court by the way typically includes this idea known as ethics.

Notably, one poster on there alleged criminal impropriety! It's certainly true that the allegation may be unfounded, but now that it's been deleted, we may never know. If someone publicly accused my business of commiting a criminal act, I would remedy the problem, or at least explain the actual events on how such information was posted erroneously; but that's just me.

At least the sheeple can rest assured that "for the record", there's no unhappy customers. In literary terms, you would be classified as a flat character.

Censorship is great!

EDIT: My role in this thread is to promote disinterested information. If it turned out that the poster in question falsely accused Bret or erroneously posted such a public statement before trying to resolve the matter informally, I would be on here defending Bret. Because the allegation can not be explored or resolved, we'll just pretend the matter never came up.

 

I think that is a very good idea as well.

SS MPSTR: This is one point I may agree with you on partially. Surely you must understand that nobody would go ahead and do something if they didn't feel that they were the best at that niche in the market. Bret however does have knowledge about a vast amount of different engines, how they work, similarites, etc. I am sure the same goes for UDhardold(I say that because I know you prefer his grinds) However at some point early in Harolds career even he didn't have an abundance of credentials as far as super fast cars in certain race series etc, and honestly since I don't know the history of his life I don't know if he does know. However over time he has developed more of a resume. As I said before I did the research to find plenty of cars running well with the help of Bret's knowledge, many of which were not results there were posted for everyone to see. That is when I decided that Bret would be the one I had help me with my build. Next part may be offensive to you, but I surely don't mean it to be. What makes you the spokesperson for the unamed people that take so much offense to his statments but will not speak for themselves? It seems like a cop-out and another reason for you to criticize him and his father. If these big named people individuals to indeed believe themelf to be better then Bret, and can offer more to the LT1 world then why don't they try alittle harder to prove it....that means more then just talking crap to some unknown in the street car world(SS MPSTR), to let it be restated that way? I understand that racing, and the automotive world is competitive but why is it that everything is made so personal?

 

That makes sense to me too.

But haven't been reading?...you need to "pay first" to get the info. The F.T.C. and U.S. Attorney's office say legitimate "solid" businesses don't do that, in advising how to avoid a scam, but what do they know?

 

I know of a few members who had cam issues and ended up returning them. One turned into a flame fest with Bret claiming his extra custom grind was custom everywhere but advertised specs. Something about a 230-236 cam? (Some will remember this) I've also seen BRE motors having big issues that resulted in a flight to fix it, but this was spun into a "I'm the greatest builder ever, I fly to fix" rather than my build was a piece...

I'm sure if I cared to go farther than my memory, I could research some more on this and other forums. Maybe the L92 402 that couldn't break 500? But it's kind of a grey area as many people appear to be happy with mediocre and excuses for results. Seems few people will admit that $1800 in heads/cam that barely outruns hotcam setups is something to be unhappy about.

 

You do need to buy the cam before you get the specs on it. However to get any references or any information you would deem useful for choosing would not need to be paid for. You can continue talking about it being a scam that you need to pay for a cam to have the specs, but thats how many do it. This goes for other portions of the automotive world as well. For example, Sam Strano provides info but will not setup your suspension setup for you over the internet or very precisely over then phone if all your wanting is info and specs, he no longer does this because: certain customers would then take his knowledge and buy from somewhere else for $5 less for the part. They then would call him back with help on how to setup the suspension they just bought elsewhere on his recomendation.

 

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534411
I've also gotten quite a few pm's with people telling me about their LE problems.