SS RRR,

You repeatedly make the claim that Bret refers to himself as "God". None of the posts I have ever read state anything like that. I do see condfidence in his statements but that is about it. Nothing wrong with that. Could you please post a link to a thread in which he describes himself as Smokey Yunick, God, or just plain better than the rest.

I have to agree with HardcoreRM125 in that there are just as many if not more poorly running (insert company of choice) combinations as there are LE/BRE combos. AI, Lingenfelter, Edelbrock, etc. are larger companies than Lloyd or Bret's shop and therefore are able to spend more for advertising, PR, etc. These companies turn out many more combos than LE/BRE does therefore have more examples of solid running combos.

 

I do? Perhaps you should go back and see how many "God" references I make? Bret claims he's good. That has been stated at least once to me before, however I'm still trying to figure out what he's good at? Maybe you can help?
Why do you choose to make excuses for LE/BRE? This has absolutely NOTHING to do with quantity, but rather quality. Please feel free to re-read the points that have been illustrated. Since we're on a research kick can you dig up for me a LE/BRE heads/cam/stock cid combo from this sight that has done the same times as Javier? I'd love to see them and as stated earlier, be proven wrong.

 

So let me get this straight. Bret doesn't know anything worthwhile. Joe O. doesn't know that much either. And if I'm reading all this right, (and please correct me with another 1000 word essay if I'm wrong) Lloyd is right there with them. I'm glad someone as intelligent as yourself has gone through the research and effort to enlighten myself and others that we are totally on the wrong track. Not everyone would do that. And if I ever have the money to have a real motor built, I'll be sure to ask for your recommendations. Thanks again, even though I now feel foolish for going the route I did.

 

As stated earlier by Brent - this is not about being right or wrong. I agree that if you're happy with where you spent your hard-earned cash, then that is all that matters to most people. The issue is simply credibility and substantiation to the many claims that have been made.

 

Well I was out of town for a few days, and wow I missed all the fun.
I have an LE1 head, LE2.2 cam, cant drag race, basically stock suspension, and run at 5800' DA. W/ a best 60' of 2.05 (I said I can't drag race right? or maybe its too much tq for my 12bolt and DR's) I ran a 13.08@109.7. Now I know some of you will say "that time sucks for a 383" go ahead say it. But give it a 1.7 60' like you guys are talking about and that is a good 12.4@111-112. Go ahead and pick which DA calculator you want to use, I really dont care. I would think that the 109.7 was ~118mph, so definitly more than that. Keep in mind that 109.7 was with full exhaust on, shorty headers, LE2.2 cam, LE1 heads, stock throttle body, Madz28 tune. I dont see what is wrong with that, but to each his own. Sorry I can't 60' until I get back in lubbock, but hopefully later this season I will have some times with slicks.

(using the NHRA altitude correction factor, 12.13@118 w/ a 2.05 60', not bad)

 

They turn out more combos in the LT market? I've been on the board for a while, and I can't recall reading about any bad running AI, LPE, Joe O. combos. I'm not bashing anyone; I went with who I felt was best.

 

"Search" is your friend...or not. Here's a sample of 15 " God referenced" posts by SS RRR found by Search.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=16

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=22

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...&postcount=124

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...95&postcount=9

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=82

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...01&postcount=8

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...09&postcount=5


Here's some interesting reading:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...&postcount=223


After reading some of this stuff, I stand corrected. SS RRR picks on more than just one poster. I thought he just wanted to discredit Bret and Lloyd. Seems it's a big club. I hope I'm included in the membership.

FWIW, here are my "God referenced" posts":

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...&postcount=104

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=19

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=14

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...43&postcount=2

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showp...&postcount=112

 

Hey brett, did I understand that you make the LE cams or no? If so, I have some questions as to what to do w/ my heads as they are obviously underported for the cam I have and times should go up from what they are in my previous post (also with the 60'). Just thought I would see if it was you that made the cam I have to see what kind of advice you would give to someone w/ an LE2.2 cam and LE1 heads.

also, I am as big of a supporter of LPE as anyone else, they do amazing work. They just strongly stick to LSx's from what I have seen. I guess he just really likes LPE? maybe he works there?

 

not that it matters, but who cares about your search results to a sentence you've clearly taken out of context? Nobody is here asking about Lloyds credentials, and interestingly, he has yet to come on any recent thread to defend your boy.

 

I'm sorry, what was your point? If you want to try and prove me wrong it'd probably be a better idea to get some content which relates to the accusation, no?

 

+1

i think he was just pointing out the fact that your a d!ck, all you do is poke pointless jabs

go design your own cam, and when you do that then you can talk about his

if you dont like him or his cams then just stop posting about them and dont read the posts that bother you so much

i have been reading this thread since the beggining and it has just gotten ridiculous

 

then SS RRR would have one more designed cam than Bret does. what does that prove?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToneC
Don't argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...

I think that really applies here. Buh Bye!

 

Uhmmm, Most cam guys, do exactly what Bret does. What makes him SOOO bad for not "designing" his own lobe profile? He does pick the duration, lift, ICL, LSA, etc.

Just curious, if Bret is so bad, who would YOU have do a custom grind for you? I dealt with Bret before, and he is a fine guy to do business with. He always took the time to awnser my stupid questions. Im going back with Bret this time around on a cam for a reason. And will go back to him, in the future for a blower cam.

 

No actually he was trying to prove me wrong by trying the muckraking technique of recklessly throwing as many posts out there with the word "God" as possible in hopes that I'd contradicted myself. As you have just admitted that wasn't the case. Besides that why are you speaking for him?
I'll be the first to admit I am a dick (not a good idea to bypass the curse word sensors. Mods don't look too highly on that. ), but I try to be a helpful one sometimes.
Anyway... because NO ONE can answer the question that I have simply asked and would rather try the discredit technique then there is no point continuing this pointless Q&A. If any of you can answer my question with any sort of evidence I would be more than happy to look at it and start a thread on every forum of how wrong I was. In the meantime why do you feel my intentions have anything to do with me being a dick? Why can't a member question another member (non vendor at that) regarding alleged performance gains that have hardly been proven?

P.S. If some of you are too lazy to read, that "interesting" thread was in the "track kills" forum where trash talking cars is allowed as stated by the Kill Moderator:
Now yes it did get out of hand and personal insults were thrown about, however if you truly want to judge what a dick I am then you should read the entire thread and see just who couldn't handle being trashed talked to and who had to take it to a personal level. I am guilty by indulging in such actions after the fact. If I remember correctly, hardcore125 was all up in that thread exchanging some blows as well. Does that make him a dick?