Hmmm, I haven't been paying attention? Seems like you are the one that said you are a sanitation engineer,(while your little fquick site says you are an architect) you are the one that said your 500hp F-bod motor isn't real,(while your little fquick site says you have one). See the pattern? And you yourself (referring to dyno numbers)stated something to the effect that numbers can be made up, so is there really any reason to compare assets? And seeing as how you yourself have set the stage for your own credibility, how do you expect anyone with half a brain to pay any attention to you except for your Cali comrades and your evil twin on the east coast?
Your original question as to substantiation of performance from LE/BRE combos is a valid question. I don't know why you haven't gotten the answers you wanted. You asked and I gave you three that I saw without too much searching, although you seemed to think they weren't good enough. What are you looking for? As far as what combo I run and it's performance level, if I told you , you wouldn't believe me either.

 

Yeah I walked in after 3 days later and notice this cap pile of a thread.... don't blame it on me!

 

Oh please... no... NO.. .NOT THAT... NO!!!! What... am I cuffed in the room with the two-way glass, detective? !!!!
As of 2001 both LT4 and LT1 heads listed for $1895 with cores. Today they list for $1795. The 211/219 which is a 'LPE/Accel' grind is $320. It's listed for $340 today. The price for ported heads from the late '90's to now really hasn't fluctuated all that much due to the decreased demand of LTx products.. so on and so forth... what.. is this a marketing class now? So your point is?
With that mentality you could list any company's heads/cam packages as "custom". No the last thing they were is custom. LPE had two CNC cylinder head programs. One for stock displacement and the other for their 383. The same 211/219 and maybe 3 or 4 other cams they offer were also for various cid configurations... so no. They are FAR from custom. I haven't paid much attention to what they're doing now, but back then they were in the business of making the most they could with quality components and still pass a sniffer while retaining a relatively close-to-stock rpm range.
They do? Perhaps you should re-read. The only "excuses" I've mentioned are when I asked someone if they wanted to read my "slew of excuses" as to why I didn't get into the 11's w/ my LPE combo and how I didn't get any better times with my 847 cam. Sure.. they are excuses. If I would've paid attention to the valvetrain and invested more money into a temporary setup then I could've found out whether or not I could've progressed. It shouldn't have been mentioned. God forbid the subject get thrown out of kilter...
Right.. this has already been discussed. Allow me to reflect...
It's track conditions, it's tuning, it's the 'other' components and the tool behind the tool, it's the driver, it's that no LE/BRE heads/cam combo has ever set a wheel on a sea level track, in which my response was:
As far as you not caring that's fine. I don't care too much either except when these LE/BRE heads/cam packages are running extremely dated numbers with inflated dyno numbers and the masses believe they have the best combo to date as well as a flamboyant cam grinder that still has yet to provide any kind of credentials other than dyno graphs, links to already copywrited articles, pictures of random engines and more dyno numbers. You know what's really funny about this? The Comp R thread. I was on the other side of that argument. EVERYONE is saying it was the manufacturer's fault and EVERYONE who installed them in that thread who experienced problems were victims. I supplied different theories and reasonings and was lynched. Go read for yourself. It's quite humorous.

 

You mean that mid 13 second run on a 75shot? You're right. I don't believe you. You've answered my question beautifully. Thanks.

 

OK, now I see how it is. Same level of thinking as the other guy, and was I stupid enough to think you were beyond that. My mistake.

 

Yep I have ZERO CREDENTIALS at all on cams

I love how the Comp R thread is some sort of justification? Lol I've actally had the broken parts in hand and had them checked out to be a mechanical failure, not a install failure. WOW, ignorance is bliss....

Bret

 

My credibility isn't being questioned, so it doesn't matter anyway. I have yet to flaunt any experience that isn't my own, nor have I led anyone to believe that I'm the best at anything auto related. My profession, my cars, my house, my things - they are real, but they are not relevant to the real question at hand, which has been asked on every single page on this thread with no credible or worthwhile response.

The question wasn't whether there were any customers with his cams, but where are all these BRE cammed/LE head cars breaking new ground to substantiate the numerous claims of being the best cam 'specifier' and proof that all these high HP engines he talks about actually existing.

I guess my cali comrades, my evil twin and I are the only ones who recognize BS when we see it. And unless you're setting new records with a BRE cam, your combo doesn't interest me at all for the puposes of this discussion.

 

That's kind of what we've been saying all along.

Prove us wrong - list some accomplishments/credentials/performance resume that substantiates the self-proclaimed greatness for both camshaft and engine authorship. Post 'em up and we'll end this little diatribe.

 

Just PM your leg hummping buddy for that. I don't brag.

 

oh, really?

 

LOL!!!!

I quoted it so you can't edit this out. Please don't force me to go back and find the quotes. You are so full of yourself that your elitest attitude can't help but ooze out in your postings.

If you don't brag, why have your father post about your awesome skills and fantastic relations with other credible companies? Why the lack of credible proof an evidence for your boastful claims? Why are you forced to relate yourself to other people and companies for legitimacy? Shouldn't such an unmatched engine builder have his own clout and factual proof?

Anyone from HPE, SAM, KTECH, W2W, THUNDER RACING, MADMAN Racing could easily answer the questions you have been asked. Pictures, facts, evidence is all we ask, not stories from your family and friends.

 

I too have had a comp lifter grenade on me - wasnt' even the R series, was the OEM replacement. Spewed its guts with no sign of damage, with maybe 50 miles on the build. Deemed mechanical failure by my speed shop, not installation Rare, but it happens! Its silly to say they are all due to user error. Just like with any other mass produced product, things can and do go wrong sometimes.

Not to chose sides - I do not run a bret grind personally, but I have heard nothing but good from his work on ALL kinds of engines, not just LT1s. One vehicle that comes to mind is a 9 second L98 third gen running AI heads and a bret cam that is street driven If I decide to step it up another notch next season I very well may get a cam spec'd by him.

You cant possibly believe even yourself when you say he has no credentials???

 

That is a very vague, disappointing reply.
It would be fantastic if you could supply the details of that info in your infamous "Comp R" thread to further solidify your case and then explain why my Comp R's as well as the multitudes of those who've used them in comparitive and faster engines have been able to do so with great success.

 

I been reading the back and forth comments here and I see at times just about everyone has valid points. For my own reference could the people calling Bret out here please tell me what you believe the problem to be? Is it the heads that are ported by Lloyd or is it, the Cam spec'd by Bret. I see that many LE/BRE combos don't run the numbers that impress all. When I see comments about inflated dyno numbers and what not it leads me to yet another question... Multiple dynos were used to test the results of those LE/BRE heads/cam packages, and alot show over 400rwhp. Are the neysayers stating that all these dyno operators are playing dyno-tricks just for the sake of doing them even though they in no way have any affiliation with Bret or Lloyd?

My response to these claims is BS, thats just not likely that dyno operators everywhere would inflate numbers just for the hell of it, unless ofcourse TSP has branched out? The Heads/Cams done by Lloyd and Bret make power, its dyno proven.People that port heads, and spec cams can only do so much for someone....its up to the consumer then to do anything else to get the car down the track as fast as it should. SS MPSTR: I guess in some twisted way your intentions are well, by trying to save all your LT1 modding friends here at CamaroZ28.com some money by claiming that Bret is a Fraud....but your credentials are Zero, you are not qualified to call anyone out as far as knowledge because afterall you don't know what your speaking about, You also have an underperforming AI setup should me and some others follow you around the internet forums and nag you? That may seem a bit harsh but I'm really just trying to make a point....and that is, Who deemed you the official Critic of LE/BRE Heads, cams or combos? Critique your own setup and some day you might accually run 11's rather then a corrected 11 sec timeslip! SS RRR: You just happen to be the most lucky guy ever, or perhaps your just smarter then anyone else in the world. Seriously your the only one that knows how to set lash on Comp R's to not cause failure, your $30 hardened pushrods will work for absolutely anyone without failure, Your LPE setup ran faster then 90% of the people on this board(claimed by yourself), or perhaps that could be because you are the best driver ever. If you honestly want to know Brets credentials then go ahead and call him up, if you have no intentions of ever dealing with him as a business then I think that you should just drop it. Afterall is it your business if others use his services for a cam, or an engine or anything if it isn't you? I will however congratulate for taking the time to dial in your previous combo to what it should run, and for many its a tedious task. Your car ran well for what it was, and by the way you talk many cars you have had a hand in helping with run better then average times. I believe you could be an asset around here if instead of pounding your chest and boasting your accomplishments, you help others maximize there setups as you did.

 

You've missed the point too. I'm not a critic of anything - I've asked for some cedentials, and as stated before, you don't need qualification to request them from someone who claims to be the best. As far as my 'underperforming' set-up - it's laughably still better than a majority of the LE/BRE combos posted, which is sad considering my engine had no compression. Like a few on here, my shortblock was not assembled well - not an excuse, a fact, and as I've said before I will post numbers when my engine is completed. Besides, what does any of this have to do with requesting substantiation for my set up or anyone elses? Do you have to have a medical degree to ask your doctor for explanation of a treatment or credentials? I didn't think so.

Official critic? It's well known you're his friend, so your comments will simply be given the weight they deserve.