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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 12:22 AM
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96flame, you and I should line em up some day. Looks like it would be a good match up. One slow LT1 against another.
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 01:08 AM
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...so proof should be so easy! Post it up. Now I'm going to speedtalk.com to copy a bunch of cam related stuff to post so I can sound like SStroker when I want to debate the kids on cam stuff I really don't know anything about. The real difference is that I don't pretend to.


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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 01:14 AM
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Brilliant, now we have English teachers in hear arguing for the uneducated!
sorry, he owned himself when he said "I don't pretend to" And I only highlighted the parts that needed highlighted. As a bonus, just a FYI for ya, I'm quite aware of the art of satirical writing too.

Yep, and thank god we have you here to set the record straight

Are you related to Bret? You post a few examples, most of which don't mean a darn thing. anyone can inflate dyno numbers - even you. Now it's about what my car runs? Is that how they teach the special ed kids the 'art' of argumentation? The question, as it has always been, is show credentials or proof that you're the best out there as you (Bret) has claimed. So far, as entertaining as your lame posts are, there's nothing surprising about the lack of proof. My car has absolutely nothing to do with this, nor does yours unless it has set the performance world on fire with on of the BRE empire cam or engine.
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Sorry man, a customer has me swamped lately in the shop. Actually DEMANDS that I'm swamped with HIS WORK. Today I actually have a little time between chasing projects and working on this setup to fart around on here, mostly because I'm waiting for things to be manufactured out of house, the head porter getting the heads ready and my old man cracking the whip on some parts being made. I'm a little slow during busy times, that I'm just not quick enough getting back with people to work into their time frame. Normally the summer is not busy like this unless I have to get something pushed out.

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No ****, I'm a lil pissed you spent this much time on a ****ing post on a stupid message board. Who gives a flying **** what malarks think of your credentials when you can says; Builder of the Fastest Naturally Aspirated LSX

Now get off your *** before I kick it.

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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by s_willis
http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633048
Post # 5…. So now your excuse is that it’s not the combo but the “tuning” that does it? Brilliant deduction Ace.

Post #7 So now we have liars posting fake dyno sheets What “proof" do we have that you even own a car?? What "proof" can you show that yours runs the numbers you ”Claim”??

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread...4&page=2&pp=10
Post #14….
Sorry Einstien, but that’s only 396hp (not 400+rwhp) and a trap speed of 115.
Oh, BTW did you notice those numbers were with a 3800# race weight???
You are quite the comedian, lame, but funny.
You asked for some examples and you got 3 random ones while doing a search of your little ls1tech.com site. I'm sure I could find more, but you wouldn't like them either, so there's no use, you've been owned, admit it, and go on with your little life.
God, I see the light now. Thank you for the education willis.

Since most of these LE cars don't run to their potential (I'm being nice here), I'd say the success of Stew's car is everything working right. Is that a brilliant deduction? Nope. Common sense, retard.

As stated many times, dyno sheets aren't worth the paper they are printed on. If you rely on them for bragging rights, you should expect the criticism. I've already said my cars are slow - nothing to show there, but I'm not the one claiming automotive superiority either.

Splitting hairs between 396 and 400 rwhp? Are you really as dumb as you pretend to be? Do you believe the same car will dyno the same on the same day? Is variation a possibility, even on the same dyno on the same day? Ever heard of statistical variation? This isn't even the point, and you have turned up an example that really doesn't mean a damn thing - it isn't terrible, but it isn't great either. Are you really hanging your hat on a +/- 4 rwhp variance (396 or 400 - it still doesn't matter) and 115mph trap @ 3800 (presumable at best - these cars get heavier and heavier) as the pinnacle of the LT1 performance world to substantiate BRE greatness?

What you talkin' about willis?
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by s_willis
Are you Cali guys all related? the first link shows one guys trap and ET thru his LE/BRE combo and NO dyno numbers(post 5). The second post in that thread shows only dyno numbers (post7)

Second link shows both dyno nymbers, and an ET/MPH AND if you can READ, it also shows his raceweight as being......... OOOPPPS YOUR bad! 3800#
He asked for examples, he got them. I'm still wondering when he's going to come up with track times and dyno graphs of his "almost 500hp" motor. (the one on his fquick site)
Nope - not related. We're all the same person. Since you asked, are all you BRE nutswingers related? Or did Bret ask you to come on here through PM or e-mail to post links to a site he can't access any longer?

Your examples, while entertaining and hopeful, still do not demonstrate greatness, nor do they prove that they are anything more than most average combos. I'm expecting greatness from someone who has argued that he is the best cam specifier and engine builder - bar none. I didn't create the size 24 shoes to fill - he did.

My car runs 14's and dyno'd 283.9812456 rwhp. The near 500hp engine is the one I solicite on the internet to make others think I have something worthwhile. After all, my AI heads are still on display in my living room, and the 846 cam would never make 500hp either Like the BRE internet greatness, my cars are simply made up because it is really irrelevant.

What it the hell do any of our requests for substantiation have to do with anyone's cars that have not been touched by the BRE empire? Do you think you have to be at a pinnacle within the industry to ask for proof of other's claims of automotive performance superiority?
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 02:21 AM
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115mph trap @ 3800 (presumable at best - these cars get heavier and heavier) as the pinnacle of the LT1 performance world to substantiate BRE greatness?
I have stock bottom end, LE2 heads and an emission grind from BRE of course its not the pinnacle. If I wanted to go all out that would be a different story. Since you don't seem to think these cars weigh that much go back to post 150 on page 10 for the facts.
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 02:24 AM
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I just purchased a 3600 Yank and think with some better weather, that will put me in the high 11's with rpm to spare. Still not optimum, but looking to spray next year.
And I do believe my heads cost a lot less than your LPEs. So is this another sad LE car too?
God willing yes you should be in the high 11's w/ a larger stall. I hate to do the "my cousin has this and it runs 3's in the 1/4" crap, but a friend of mine's car I used to work on alot had GTP heads/LT4 hotcam, gears, 2800 stall, all the bolt-ons, full weight and ran 12.2 @ 115 w/ a 1.6 60' time. This was a LT4 hotcam only tune. Heads hadn't been added into the mix. The point being this was a "hodge podge" setup. No custom grind. This was done 5 years ago. I know this reads bad as if I'm a ricer mentioning this, but it's fact. I've seen many many examples over the years while going to the track ALOT.
My LPE head were more expensive? You sure about that? Well even if they were it was well worth it since that heads/cam combo was on the car over 70K miles and had absolutely no problems and turned in many upon many low 12 sec. runs as well as passing emissions when I bolted up my cat y-pipe.
I got the heads on clearance. LPE was going to do a hundred "Hurst Firebird" cars with a LT4 package, but the LS1 came out and they dropped everything LT1 and sold the heads/cam/valvetrain package at their cost. Pretty good deal I would say. I've kept the heads, had them rebuilt for my new engine which I was just fighting with today and am anxious to see the results. If they are good then again they were well worth the money if they were more expensive.
Holy hell that's a long post.


Originally Posted by 96flame
Since your talking about my car I'll post more fact. I weigh 180, No cage, 12 bolt, sub box removed, no dog food, t-top car
With your correction factor and dynoing over 400rwhp you should be running a whole lot faster than 115mph regardless of your weight. Mine's only 50lbs lighter and I did that with 40rwhp less than you. What gives?
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 04:18 AM
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God, I see the light now. Thank you for the education willis.

Since most of these LE cars don't run to their potential (I'm being nice here), I'd say the success of Stew's car is everything working right. Is that a brilliant deduction? Nope. Common sense, retard.

As stated many times, dyno sheets aren't worth the paper they are printed on. If you rely on them for bragging rights, you should expect the criticism. I've already said my cars are slow - nothing to show there, but I'm not the one claiming automotive superiority either.

Splitting hairs between 396 and 400 rwhp? Are you really as dumb as you pretend to be? Do you believe the same car will dyno the same on the same day? Is variation a possibility, even on the same dyno on the same day? Ever heard of statistical variation? This isn't even the point, and you have turned up an example that really doesn't mean a damn thing - it isn't terrible, but it isn't great either. Are you really hanging your hat on a +/- 4 rwhp variance (396 or 400 - it still doesn't matter) and 115mph trap @ 3800 (presumable at best - these cars get heavier and heavier) as the pinnacle of the LT1 performance world to substantiate BRE greatness?

What you talkin' about willis?
Wow, see what I mean? I'll never be as witty as you. "What you talkin' about Willis", I never would have thought of that myself, not without help. And all these complements to Bret, greatness, God, empire, superiority, etc, ect. Where do you come up with this stuff? I'd say he's pretty good, but you might be getting a little carried away here. But the part about calling other people retards and stupid is right on the money, correct?
Dyno sheets not being worth the paper there printed on? Boy I hope your wrong in a few instances. Spent a good buck for a dyno tune from Speed Inc. I wanted to find out how close Ions tune was and have something to gauge my 1/4 mile times to, silly me. Found out the low mileage fuel pump could not keep up in the higher rpms. Problem then fixed. Ran some times at the track and was disappointed for the 370RWHP. Only 13.10s at 105mph. Didn't shift correctly and thought the shift points were off slightly. Drop the shift points a couple of hundred rpm and the car goes 12.60s at 109 mph. Better, but wait, the dumb dyno said 370RWHP, so that's not right. Or is it, since dyno #s mean nothing? Next step, is to find out the valve springs can't keep up with this small cam. Solution, use the 918 beehives. Oh and pardon me, but Bret recommended those years ago when they first came out. Now the car runs 12.12 at 114.4. Am I close to the mark of what a 370RWHP full weight car should run? Almost, but it still needs work. The new stall should put me in the high 11's. Plus I won't need a 40 degree day to do so. And for being very street friendly, I am very happy with that. Could it be quicker, probably, but it's driven less than 500 miles a year. So i don't have a chance to tweak it all that often.
PS, ever notice that you criticize just about every car that has somethig to do with either Lloyd or Bret? No? I didn't think so. But hey, keep up the good work. And hopefully you too will have something to post about, ET wise, or worse case scenario, dyno #s.
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 06:49 AM
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Wow, see what I mean? I'll never be as witty as you. "What you talkin' about Willis", I never would have thought of that myself, not without help. And all these complements to Bret, greatness, God, empire, superiority, etc, ect. Where do you come up with this stuff? I'd say he's pretty good, but you might be getting a little carried away here. But the part about calling other people retards and stupid is right on the money, correct?
Dyno sheets not being worth the paper there printed on? Boy I hope your wrong in a few instances. Spent a good buck for a dyno tune from Speed Inc. I wanted to find out how close Ions tune was and have something to gauge my 1/4 mile times to, silly me. Found out the low mileage fuel pump could not keep up in the higher rpms. Problem then fixed. Ran some times at the track and was disappointed for the 370RWHP. Only 13.10s at 105mph. Didn't shift correctly and thought the shift points were off slightly. Drop the shift points a couple of hundred rpm and the car goes 12.60s at 109 mph. Better, but wait, the dumb dyno said 370RWHP, so that's not right. Or is it, since dyno #s mean nothing? Next step, is to find out the valve springs can't keep up with this small cam. Solution, use the 918 beehives. Oh and pardon me, but Bret recommended those years ago when they first came out. Now the car runs 12.12 at 114.4. Am I close to the mark of what a 370RWHP full weight car should run? Almost, but it still needs work. The new stall should put me in the high 11's. Plus I won't need a 40 degree day to do so. And for being very street friendly, I am very happy with that. Could it be quicker, probably, but it's driven less than 500 miles a year. So i don't have a chance to tweak it all that often.
PS, ever notice that you criticize just about every car that has somethig to do with either Lloyd or Bret? No? I didn't think so. But hey, keep up the good work. And hopefully you too will have something to post about, ET wise, or worse case scenario, dyno #s.
What do you expect from someone who still lives at home with mommy and daddy? When they know they are losing they resort to stuff like retard and short bus and stupid etc. Originality isn't part of their character.
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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Wow, see what I mean? I'll never be as witty as you. "What you talkin' about Willis", I never would have thought of that myself, not without help. And all these complements to Bret, greatness, God, empire, superiority, etc, ect. Where do you come up with this stuff? I'd say he's pretty good, but you might be getting a little carried away here. But the part about calling other people retards and stupid is right on the money, correct?
Dyno sheets not being worth the paper there printed on? Boy I hope your wrong in a few instances. Spent a good buck for a dyno tune from Speed Inc. I wanted to find out how close Ions tune was and have something to gauge my 1/4 mile times to, silly me. Found out the low mileage fuel pump could not keep up in the higher rpms. Problem then fixed. Ran some times at the track and was disappointed for the 370RWHP. Only 13.10s at 105mph. Didn't shift correctly and thought the shift points were off slightly. Drop the shift points a couple of hundred rpm and the car goes 12.60s at 109 mph. Better, but wait, the dumb dyno said 370RWHP, so that's not right. Or is it, since dyno #s mean nothing? Next step, is to find out the valve springs can't keep up with this small cam. Solution, use the 918 beehives. Oh and pardon me, but Bret recommended those years ago when they first came out. Now the car runs 12.12 at 114.4. Am I close to the mark of what a 370RWHP full weight car should run? Almost, but it still needs work. The new stall should put me in the high 11's. Plus I won't need a 40 degree day to do so. And for being very street friendly, I am very happy with that. Could it be quicker, probably, but it's driven less than 500 miles a year. So i don't have a chance to tweak it all that often.
PS, ever notice that you criticize just about every car that has somethig to do with either Lloyd or Bret? No? I didn't think so. But hey, keep up the good work. And hopefully you too will have something to post about, ET wise, or worse case scenario, dyno #s.
Hey, I know I've probably asked you this before, but what rpm does your torque peak at? If you can get that converter re-stalled to 500-900 rpm below the torque peak you'll be 11.80s with traction...OOOPS!!!!!!!! I just saw your post about the Yank 3600....Its hard to keep track of everything in all these posts....Diregard, we now return to our regularly scheduled muck...

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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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Wow, see what I mean? I'll never be as witty as you. "What you talkin' about Willis", I never would have thought of that myself, not without help. And all these complements to Bret, greatness, God, empire, superiority, etc, ect. Where do you come up with this stuff? I'd say he's pretty good, but you might be getting a little carried away here. But the part about calling other people retards and stupid is right on the money, correct?
Dyno sheets not being worth the paper there printed on? Boy I hope your wrong in a few instances. Spent a good buck for a dyno tune from Speed Inc. I wanted to find out how close Ions tune was and have something to gauge my 1/4 mile times to, silly me. Found out the low mileage fuel pump could not keep up in the higher rpms. Problem then fixed. Ran some times at the track and was disappointed for the 370RWHP. Only 13.10s at 105mph. Didn't shift correctly and thought the shift points were off slightly. Drop the shift points a couple of hundred rpm and the car goes 12.60s at 109 mph. Better, but wait, the dumb dyno said 370RWHP, so that's not right. Or is it, since dyno #s mean nothing? Next step, is to find out the valve springs can't keep up with this small cam. Solution, use the 918 beehives. Oh and pardon me, but Bret recommended those years ago when they first came out. Now the car runs 12.12 at 114.4. Am I close to the mark of what a 370RWHP full weight car should run? Almost, but it still needs work. The new stall should put me in the high 11's. Plus I won't need a 40 degree day to do so. And for being very street friendly, I am very happy with that. Could it be quicker, probably, but it's driven less than 500 miles a year. So i don't have a chance to tweak it all that often.
PS, ever notice that you criticize just about every car that has somethig to do with either Lloyd or Bret? No? I didn't think so. But hey, keep up the good work. And hopefully you too will have something to post about, ET wise, or worse case scenario, dyno #s.

Except for my comments on the examples posted, I don't criticize peoples cars. Period. Post some proof to this allegation. Ironically, since you obviously have nothing to show to demonstrate the BRE empire greatness, you start trying to discredit the the person asking the questions - typical politics.

I'm tickled pink that you're happy with your car. Good for you. But that's not what any of this is about.

My comment about dyno numbers is that many people (especially on this board) post peak numbers and rely on them as the benchmark of their performance. That's fine if that is all you care about, but realize they can be manipulated. The dyno is another tool - nothing else. I don't race a dyno - do you?

It is statements like this that cause the request for substantiation:
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
FWIW I don't think there is anyone who can out do me in cams (fast car or not) and I'll put my *** on the line anytime, I think Lloyd feels the same way and I don't blame him.
funny that Lloyd has NEVER come on here to defend his boy, nor this arrogant f'ing statement.
Old Jul 22, 2007 | 10:03 AM
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What do you expect from someone who still lives at home with mommy and daddy? When they know they are losing they resort to stuff like retard and short bus and stupid etc. Originality isn't part of their character.
Don't believe me? Wait til you see what Einstein posts next!
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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 11:41 AM
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God, I see the light now. Thank you for the education...
Don't feel bad, Mike. It takes time to truly comprehend and appreciate the brilliance of the "I D 10 T" type personaility.


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What you talkin' about willis?
LMAO

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Old Jul 22, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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Do I race a Dyno? I guess I do, to a point. I trust the dyno and operator at Speed. Why? Because both Lloyd and Joe O. said I should have 370RWHP with what they recommended. First try and with Jim adjusting for the failing fuel pump I'm there. That was the good part. But now I have to take those #s and add whatever parts are needed to run the ET the calulators and you guys say it should run. I know as most do, that dyno#s aren't everything, and are just a tool. But if you can't trust your dyno, find another one.
And as far as you only criticizing certain cars and saying I'M the one doing the dicrediting. Well lets just say, your the one with the gift of gab, and maybe should have been in politics.
And yes, Bret can be a little bold with his statements at times. But only when trying to argue a point with someone that knows very little about a subject and had no intention of listening to what he has to say or recommend, and is only there to argue with him. How about, next time your putting together a motor, you try your cam guy, and then try Bret, and give us HONEST test results? See ya later, I have a tree to trim. Hopefully without breaking a leg or my neck.

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