Wow, 10 pages...I guess we will all have to agree to disagree...FWIW I ran 11.80-90s at 115 with a 211/219 LPE cam in my 383 for years...Anyway, I don't think we will ever reach any satisfactory end to this, but I'll just reiterate that we should all use who we like and if we are happy then so be it...I didn't use LE/Bret because I wanted proven timeslips from actual cars and I found that in who I chose...At that time there were not many folks running the LE/Bret stuff at the track with results I found satisfactory...Did I bash them? No...I just didn't go that route, no hard feelings, just used a different source.

My father-in-law passed away on Thursday night in my mother-in-law's arms...and I've got a new perspective on what's important in life now...These cars are a fun hobby for most, a business for some, but supposed to be fun for all...If we don't agree then who cares? Use who you want to get what you want. If you're happy with that then just be happy and have fun...

I'm not a customer of Bret's, but he seems to a least be helping to further the LT cause...Do I secretly think its cool to be out mphing/ETing a lot of folks with bigger cams? Yep. but I'm not gonna throw it in anyone's face...I'm just having fun when I'm in the car, and thats what this is supposed to be about, right?

--Alan

 

My little LS1 tech site? The one the cam master was booted from? Stew's car is the only credible car in the 3 examples cited, and that's because CAM made the car run right. Okay, there's a single example of a good performer with the LE package. The only issue is that there are a lot of cars without the magical package running the same times. Jeff Creech's car at CAM is one of them. The other two you cited; one's a dyno number that could be made up for all we know, and the other is a 400+ rwhp car trapping 115?? Just more of the SOS.

These are the three best examples you could find? Where are all the BRE empire engines and results? Surely there are hundreds by now. Where are the examples of anything he's touched setting the world on fire?

 

Yep, your car is only ~2 tenths off the best LE3 combo car anyone can point to...with an old small inferior 'shelf' cam said it before - your car runs great.

Lingenfelter had a resume and list of stellar accomplishments a mile long too

 

 

I feel a little cheated here. Come on, my times aren't bad. Lloyds heads before he had stages (5 years old) and a cam that would be considered an LE1 Joe O. emissions cam. 2800 stall and 3.73 gears, not exactly optimum, but yet 12.12 @ 114.47 mph. I just purchased a 3600 Yank and think with some better weather, that will put me in the high 11's with rpm to spare. Still not optimum, but looking to spray next year.
And I do believe my heads cost a lot less than your LPEs. So is this another sad LE car too?

 

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633048
Post # 5…. So now your excuse is that it’s not the combo but the “tuning” that does it? Brilliant deduction Ace.

Post #7 So now we have liars posting fake dyno sheets What “proof" do we have that you even own a car?? What "proof" can you show that yours runs the numbers you ”Claim”??

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread...4&page=2&pp=10
Post #14….
Sorry Einstien, but that’s only 396hp (not 400+rwhp) and a trap speed of 115.
Oh, BTW did you notice those numbers were with a 3800# race weight???
You are quite the comedian, lame, but funny.
You asked for some examples and you got 3 random ones while doing a search of your little ls1tech.com site. I'm sure I could find more, but you wouldn't like them either, so there's no use, you've been owned, admit it, and go on with your little life.

 

Brilliant, you need someone to read that for you?

 

Originally Posted by SS MPSTR
...so proof should be so easy! Post it up. Now I'm going to speedtalk.com to copy a bunch of cam related stuff to post so I can sound like SStroker when I want to debate the kids on cam stuff I really don't know anything about. The real difference is that I don't pretend to.

Owned again

 

Read over what you quoted one more time. You only quoted a portion of a statement to inadequately own someone. He was claiming he was going to copy Bret's method of information gathering to "sound educated" like Bret claims when he posts. The statement plays on the argument that Bret espouses information he took from someone far smarter than himself and claimed it as his own. It was meant to be sarcastic.

 

You posted two cars with dyno numbers and no track times. As already argued, dyno numbers are just numbers. Neither of the first two cars have track numbers to reflect the rwhp they make. The third car does not weigh 3800 lbs unless the driver is 350lbs, has a full cage, 9inch rear, full stereo, some dog food and is a convertible. Z-Rated94 traps the same amount in a virtually stock weight car with 370rwhp and some problems.

At least pick cars that run good numbers and dyno well. There are a couple like Clint and some guy on this forum with an LE2 setup in a C4 that went low 11s at almost 120mph.

While both examples are good, they are the exception and not the rule. Neither are representative of the average customer and neither would credit thier entire car to the cam (considering one went 9s with a cc306 not a BRE cam).

 

Thanks! But for the record my current set up that resulted in the times/mph in my sig is a Joe O. spec'd 226/234 cam with Eric Bradby going over my old LPE heads...I went with Joe and Eric for proven combos with track times/mph to back them up...and my car does real crappy on the dyno

--Alan

 

Haha. I love dynos too, mine has dyno'd 340rwhp! But it traps alright even through a th400 and 9inch . I guess everyone has different goals for the hp they make though.

 

Are you Cali guys all related? the first link shows one guys trap and ET thru his LE/BRE combo and NO dyno numbers(post 5). The second post in that thread shows only dyno numbers (post7)

Second link shows both dyno nymbers, and an ET/MPH AND if you can READ, it also shows his raceweight as being......... OOOPPPS YOUR bad! 3800#
He asked for examples, he got them. I'm still wondering when he's going to come up with track times and dyno graphs of his "almost 500hp" motor. (the one on his fquick site)

 

Brilliant, now we have English teachers in hear arguing for the uneducated!
sorry, he owned himself when he said "I don't pretend to" And I only highlighted the parts that needed highlighted. As a bonus, just a FYI for ya, I'm quite aware of the art of satirical writing too.

 

Since your talking about my car I'll post more fact. I weigh 180, No cage, 12 bolt, sub box removed, no dog food, t-top car