That's a good one. So much for not stooping to call each other names Should I call Brent in here to chastise you?

It's not worth anything. Nothing here is even relevant - did you even have a point? Again, you prove your class-less persona, and still avoid the question.

Nobody is trolling anyone here, so don't flatter yourself. I've asked the question a few dozen times, and you still avoid it to talk about homoerotic and sycophantic things. I don't want to know your business - I want to see your accomplishments to support the incredulous statements.

What a bunch of hog-wash BS. Magazine guys? Do you know most magazine guys had other jobs completely unrelated to writing glorified advertisements in the rags? Like they are a source of credibility Post up some endorsements then...and not some sissy ranting "they like me, man, they really do!" Surely your caliber of performance and savvy has something to show. So people you buy stuff from talk to you? So what?

I'll pretend to ignore the fact that I've said many times that I'm no expert in camshaft theory. Again, you had a point?

I could care less that you have me on ignore - I'm not one of your blind followers. I like how you try to turn this around - my stuff, my cars, my credentials related to what I'm considered an expert on, have never been a source of question. Yours have - openly. And the best you can do to the questions is to take a shot at my car my heads (in my living room ) and a GM 846 cam? No surprise, but your facts are all screwed up - again. If you think Harold gave me an 846 cam, that's fine. My car is slow, it's nowhere near yours...wait - where's this super 600hp Pontiac you brag about? Where's YOUR car? Pot, meet kettle, again.

As far as talking smack to a customer - who? The one I challenged to ask the same questions? A customer you solicite without paying a single advertising dime for? I could care less about his reasons...are you saying that's your only one?

Nope. I'll see ya at PRI

Pure class Bret. Pure class. Still no proof. SOS as they say.

 

Now he's a successful cam and engine builder? I'll ask the same question I've been asking for months - where are all these engines and cams he speaks of and where are the results for these? No bashing, just a question. Kragen Auto Supply satisfies my needs for parts, but they don't make me any faster - isn't that what this is all about? If you claim to be the best, you better have results to back it up. I didn't call him the best - he did that all by himself.

How do I know? Because I have one of his creations sitting in my engine bay !!!! You would drool if you only knew half of what Bret's engine combination has done!!! You say you keep asking the same questions all the time about what Bret has done. Have you ever thought Mr. SS MPTR, that maybe nobody really cares about what YOU think!!! Not everything in life has to be posted or be made public. Its the old adage, I could tell you but then I would have to kill you. So go ahead Mr. SS MPTR and run your mouth. But like I said before, what do you have or have done to be so arrogant and cocky. If you only knew what I know!!!

 

Wow! I know this man personally thru Bret. He's one of the most gentle and genteel men I have met in years. I remember that Bret got a Christmas card from him after building him the engine he wanted. I truly believe it takes a bunch to rile him. Evidently "Mr.P" has accomplished that.

Again, wow!

 

I do not see what is wrong with questioning the credibility of any vendor who decides to be a controversial figure. Especially when that figure has not produced overwhealming results. Fact of the matter is there are very few heads/cam vendors out there that can be trusted to give you what you pay for. So questioning a vendor, even publically, before you plunk down a few thousand dollars should be commonplace. Oh wait... is BRE even a vendor?

How many different LE/BRE combos are on this board? How many of them are running more than 115mph? Yet you've only listed one instance of one running 118mph and that wasn't even with the use of LE heads. Very interesting...
Is running 118mph in a LT1 heads/cam/stock bottom end f-body now supposed to be some breath taking, ground breaking event?

 

Even if he isnt making any new, ground breaking events, other than you and the other guy being on his ***, WHO has ever complained about him?

If you think he is so bad, ask L.E. about him? He, im sure, could tell you who to deal with for a custom cam. He started working with BRE for a reason.

You have to look at it this way, LE1, 2, and 3 cams ARE making more power than their comparable cams, AND are every bit as driveable/streetable. He has some good set ups going right now. And he made popular, well designed cams, to fill the gaps factory cam manufacturers are missing out on. I bet you couldnt find many places to give you a cam that RUNS FASTER ( Not just more peak HP ) w/o loosing drivability. If you can, great. But basically, do a search on BRE or Bret, and you wont find anything negitive.

 

Sorry man, a customer has me swamped lately in the shop. Actually DEMANDS that I'm swamped with HIS WORK. Today I actually have a little time between chasing projects and working on this setup to fart around on here, mostly because I'm waiting for things to be manufactured out of house, the head porter getting the heads ready and my old man cracking the whip on some parts being made. I'm a little slow during busy times, that I'm just not quick enough getting back with people to work into their time frame. Normally the summer is not busy like this unless I have to get something pushed out.

Bret

 

They are? You could've fooled me. Oh sure the 400+rwhp dyno graphs look marvelous, but the low 12's at 110 to 114mph LE3 heads/cam combos... not so much.
Am I wrong? Please prove it with multiple examples.
You can start with mine:
LPE LT4 heads/intake 211/219 cam, stock 350cid block, Hooker LT's w/ ORY, 3.73 gears, 12-bolt, SLP Level II suspension, 3750lb race weight: 12.0 @ 115mph 1.75 60ft. (Maryland Int. Raceway done on a 40*day) which dynoed 370rwhp and 355rwtq. This best was done over 6 years ago. Engine passed a sniffer test with flying colors when cat y-pipe was bolted up. What emissions legal cam that is "comparable" that has been produced by Bret on this board has ran as well? I'm being serious here. I would like to be proven wrong with multiple examples. I would like to know there are still competent heads/cam "designers" who can still produce a product that is worth a crap since no one believes in LPE, GTP whose results were extremely impressive with off the shelf grinds, have fallen by the wayside, AI doesn't get a lot of publicity... so what's left? Convince me why I should join the sheeple and believe in a product that has produced sub par results and lamely attempted to sell them as if it's new territory that has never been explored as well as all these ridiculous dyno graphs.
I've said it many times before and it's becoming more prevalent... Because of all these 400rwhp dyno graphs that are being posted here people are actually starting to believe it takes 400RWHP TO RUN ANYTHING OVER 110MPH! That just makes my stomach churn.

Already have, Bret. "STEALLAR" results that have rivaled your current best LT1 n/a work w/ an emissions legal off-the-shelf combo that was bought and installed 9 years ago. God only knows how long LPE had used the CNC program for my heads and the 211 grind has been around longer than dirt. Yeah I've "been doing this for years..." too.
Pity... I used to get slammed by the GTP heads/306 cammed boys because I had chosen a mild setup and they were obliterating me at the track by at least 2 to 4mph. Not so much now. Sad.

 

Not everything in the LT1 life revolves around drag racing. Open up your mind to the world of street touring . It is not always what a car does on the drag strip that actually shows it capability. I would like to see you follow me around turns with your so hot drag car. To each his own.

 

To quote the Geico caveman, "Uh.... what?!"
Do you have any familiarity of the top end packages Lingenfelter offers? Did you not read my "mild" combo was emissions legal when I wanted it to be? Do you have any idea what SLP Level II suspension consists of? What is a 93SS? If you answered "duh" to any of the questions above you should really do some homework. And yes it was fun to enter my "so hot drag car" at the Solo events I used to attend in the mid and late '90's in Mineral Wells, TX.
Anyway... your excuse is weak and unacceptable and I have a good feeling most everyone here will agree since most everyone here drag races more than hits the road course. Drag racing a street car can show its capabilities of acceleration. Are you even sure the LE1-LE3 combos offered that are so popular here would do better on a road course than at the drag strip?

 

You do realize that it is only the two of you that are on here ruining it for everyone else? I have to sit here and sort thru your BS nonsense to be able to read a good VALID argument between thesoundandthefury and Bret. If you don't like his products then don't buy them. It shouldn't take more than 1 post to make your statement. All this trolling garbage (which YES you are trolling) is completely unacceptable. There are many more people than the two of you who find him more than acceptable when it comes to cam selections. You may disagree but like I said before; it should only take 1 post to state that. As for Bret calling Brent in here he may not have but I am going to. I would suggest anyone else who has a problem with their nonsense to do the same.

 

It's a shame when those who ask for references from a self-proclaimed cam guru are shunned by those who, I reckon, like to run their mid and maybe a few low 12's at 110 to 112mph...
Ah well... human nature at its finest.

 

Back to the main topic (with some rants). I just had a forum member come over the other day and took him for a ride in my two lt1 cars. One is a TA the other a Impala. The TA has a stock headed 383 (bought it blown up needed a new crank didnt have money for heads), thru a off the shelf lunati 219/227 cam in it put down 328rwhp and 340ftlb thru a th350. The torque 300+ftlbs from converter flash (3200) to where the heads starting choking the car at 5600 or so, BTW its low compresssion too. Now my Impala with a built 350 and LE2 heads (had a le2 cam till a lobe took a crap) with compression in the mid 11's put down less hp and tq, go figure. I changed the springs and cam and the car feels much better, picked up 3mph in the 1/8so far. Point is dont get stuck thinking the only way to get what you want is a custom grind. Do your homework/research and find out where you want to be. Find some local members who have cams and go for a ride then make a decision.

 

I think that everyone have fun here

I was looking at the price of the Lunati Voodoo cam and its around 330$ and it will probably not match what i want.

I ve sent an email to Bret and he answer quickly and im gonna go with this option since its only 20$ more and im gonna have exactly what i want.

Thanks everyone

 

That's a good point and I'd like to see ALL the name calling just STOP. We really don't need that.

The two groups that constantly "do battle" here in the LT1 Tech section obviously don't like each other but at the same time are both more knowledgeable than many (including myself) on this board.

What would be really great for everyone on this board is if people could have disagreements but do so constructively. I realize that sometimes emotions get into the mix of things and things can go to hell in a hand basket but I'll just ask everyone to keep the disagreements civil. The disagreements actually provide a ton of knowledge and information to the members on this board here who are trying to learn. In some cases, there may not be one who is right and one who is wrong... will depend on application. In other cases there will be a time where somebody is right and somebody is wrong and in that case hopefully the wrong party can admit they are wrong or simply state something like "we'll agree to disagree" and leave it at that or present your argument in a different manner or a different side.

No matter what happens, I really don't want to see anybody get so pissed that they just leave as the discussions do provide a ton of teaching to the ones trying to learn or get their questions answered. I'd just like to see the bickering and under handed jabs go away. That might be too much to ask but maybe we can at least try?

 

The fact that 93SS is riled by an internet forum discussion does not say a whole lot about him, does it? Again, no answer to the requests to support credibility - if only receiving Christmas cards counted for something....darn!