trap speed > dyno every day of the week

 

Based on what we have so far (mostly garnered from Camaro5....and boy it hurts reading some of that stuff over there), it's looking like 515-ish will be a good average for the M6 ZL1.

 

I couldn't give a **** less about times from the ring.

 

Also, it looks like trap speeds are coming in around 116mph with a 117 here and there.

Hopefully the traps will get better.

 

I agree totally in the fact that the technology in the Camaro is what really delivers the knockout blow to the GT500 in a side by side comparison.

Plus it is pretty obvious that the GT500 hasn't been able to best any of the published ZL1 numbers (Ring or VIR) or Ford would have published them by now.

-Geoff

 

Ok.

 

I KNOW I've heard this arguement before, where it was argued that the lower-powered vehicle was actually superior because of technology....if I could only remember where I'd heard that........
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I GOT IT! SOHC & DOHC 4.6 Mustang guys made that exact same arguement when comparing their car to the more powerful LS1s!

Good company to be in.

 

I think Prius sales are safe but that's very impressive mileage for that kind of power. I doubt anyone will see numbers like that and who would blame them with that much power under their right foot.

662 has to be the most HP in a American production car. I can't think of any with more.

 

"Knockout blow" is funny terminology to describe what a low-12s/120mph car does to a mid-11s/126mph car...

 

A lot of butthurt in this thread or any other about the ZL1/GT500 with all the apologists trying to come up with more and more ridiculous analogies. Like others have said it reminds me of the Mustang guys back in the LS1 days, Ricers talking about Hp per liter when they can't hang, etc.... Be happy if you have a ZL1 but don't try to convince others that an extra 80+hp and several hundred pounds less weight won't have an impact on performance. Every time I read these threads I laugh more and more buy the extremes some of the fanboys will go to. Ford built a more powerful pony car just accept it or go cry in the corner by yourself.

 

I wouldn't begrudge anyone for choosing either car.

However, I think the tracks that the ZL1 will be able to beat the GT500 on are few in number.
Good stuff.

 

Well, you know, it may have something to do with the fact that Ford has not released ANY performance numbers for this car. As a matter of fact, they only released the certified power numbers because they were reported on another website.

Performance numbers will come. However, and I have no idea why I say this, I have a feeling that no matter what they say.............. you won't believe them anyway. The ZL1 is all mighty and infallible on the road course.............. you know, the same road course that it will suffer heat soak on in a few laps, and be passed by lesser powered N/A cars.

LOL

Disclaimer: The GT500 isn't a road course car either. No supercharged car is.

I remember not too long ago, when the GTR was belittled and laughed at, for being a technological wonder. My, how things have changed.

 

This made my day

 

And the Mustang was inferior then, too.

Hi Bob!

(Everyone should know already that I am only kidding.)

Is the reason for this because Ford still tweaking them? I am not current on the status of them.

Otherwise, all BS aside...no one can say that one car is truly better over another. There are so many factors in play it makes it impossible...including simple opinion. I am in the group that thinks this is a great time to live in, and I cannot wait to see what Ford eventually comes up with.

 

Correct. And one person's opinion of "better" isn't necessarily another's opinion of "better". Even 'better' than that is that neither will be wrong....