You;ve made no miraculious discoveries so I'm not concened about you "secrets." Common sense told me lighter cars go faster. I hell, bet i have more weight reduction that you do.

Why dont you take you seatbelts, air bags out while your at it. We knew about weight reduction before, you just refuse to believe that you are mortal.

I've seen too many accidents at the track and on street to remove bumper supports (or heavy milk crates ) from my car. Maybe when its your car in the divider you will think differently. This isn't a sound deadener or appearnce item- ITS YOUR BUMPER SUPPORT.

Its not even like its 250lbs- its 20 lbs. Barely anything in the grand scheme of a 1/4 mile run. Christ, its a time slip, not worht your life!

I think its really crossing the bounds of good taste when you remove it. You think you are Jesus Christ himself because you ran a 12 second time

 

You know what Trey. Over the year or so that I've frequented this board, I've always tried to like you...I have. But, I just can't. I see all to often your attitude and smart *** remarks toward anyone that doesn't believe what you say.

I've made no claim to making any discoveries, let alone miraculous. I'm offering advice that was offered to me. But again, people that spend all their money modding their cars don't like it when someone like me offers FREE advice.

Mortal? Hmm, of course I don't think I'm immortal. If I can't handle a low 8 second car, then I don't need to be at the track. And, if someone else hits me at the track, well...that's something I'll have to live with. And...I'm willing to chance it. Timeslips aren't my goal in life, believe it or not. I'm not at the track every single time its open. But when I go...I want to get a good timeslip, what with all the "risks" I'm taking.

12.98...oh yea, I'll be accepting your prays after lunch. If any of you are in Jeusalem (now South Carolina) I'll be giving my walking-on-water demonstration this evening. Be sure to preregister for the best seats.

Obviously the growth of your own head did not affect the size of your eyes, because you can't seem to read...or you just fail to point out what you don't want to. I'm running 12.98 having spent about $560 on my car. Tell me, Oh Great One, how fast is that 383 of yours running and how much have you spent getting there? Because if anyone here thinks highly of themselves, its you...hell, your avatar says it all, Einstein. For someone that advocates immaturity, you sure do behave childishly just about everytime you post (excluding the times you ACTUALLY give technical advice).

It's people like you and your attitude towards others that make this place such a "WONDERFUL" hang out for those of us who are interested in talking about cars and helping each other out.

 

I think that with a tubular K-member tubular upper and lower A-arms, ditching the ac, power steering, skinnys, and the battery relocation you'll be able to pick up both if not just the left front tire off the ground! Thats a lot of weight off the front end!

 

Yea, I desperately want to ditch the stock K member and A arms. Not so much for weight, lol, but for helping with plug changes on passenger side, lol. The loss of weight will be an added bonus. The funny thing about tire-lifting...a few weeks before Darlington on an 8.7 1/8th mile pass the left front almost, if not barely, came off the ground. But at Darlington after weight reduction and loss of sway bar, she planted firmly and rose some, but never came close to lifting and even on the one 8.3 1/8th pass. The !sway-bar! is killer for launching!

 

You call me immature and look at the post above. I make points while you throw around isults.

FACT:
Your $560 doesn't include ET streets you BARROWED

FACT:
My car will survive a crash A LOT better than yours will

FACT:
I ran on MY tires, not my friends

FACT:
My car wasn't gutted, just no back seat- maily b/c I didn't want one.

FACT:
You make invalid and inconsitant statements. You go on about saving money, and then you agree that K members and skinnies (about $500 for each one) is a good idea. But then you argue that long tubes are a waste of money? I dont want to drive around on freaking skinnies...


FACT: Just because your car only runs mid 8's in the mile doesn't mean crap. You can crash on any given day, at any given speed for any given reason. This isn't about being a good driver or being able to handle your car.

But you stand firm- bumper supports are worth 0.01- 0.02 seconds in the quarter mile?

 

No more insults than you. I've been called "stupid" a "moron" "Jesus Christ" as well as being referred to as "preachy" "invalid" "inconsistent" and "immature". I've what, referred to your "actions" as childish when you're constantly calling people immature? And said you had a big head; nothing your actions don't back up.
Point being? The tires WILL be mine once I scrounge the cash together. So, you can add $700 (wheels too) to that $560, and there'll be another tenth or two off my ET by then as well.
Likely so. Am I complaining? Is this relevant?
Good for you, what, you want a cookie?
But, according to you, my car isn't gutted either. I mean, those plastic safety supports only weigh 5 pounds right?
Invalid...inconsistent? When did I ever say that I'll never spend money? One of these days when I'm not 23 making $13/hour saving for an egagement ring and looking for a 2ndary car, I'll be able to pour money into this thing. And, likely before then I'll be picking up a tubular Kmember. Just because I haven't spent much money yet, doesn't infer that I'll never spend any money. You've got some strange logic.
I agree. I could slip and fall down stairs and break my neck...but I'm not gonna worry about that every time I take a step.
Previous run with no weight reduction except no backseat was 8.7 on ET streets which would roughly equal a 13.4 or so. New run minus weight on ET streets 12.98. I've always heard Einstein wasn't a math wiz...oh, is that an insult? Only if you think you're Einstein.

Now...let's about that...

 

You have no basis to call me a moron. And furthermore, enough of your smart-a$$ed comments...it is very annoying. Your not einstein...even thought you may think you are because of your avatar..ok buddy?

I am sorry to LT for going off as i did, but i really felt the need to get my point accross. I just got back from the doctors 30 mins ago, and after 6 or so months i still have a huge tear in my rotator cuff that will cost me to have bad surgery and probably never let me have the chance to play football again in college.

 

No need for apologies. I understand where you are coming from. I wish you the best of luck with your surgery and hope you have a swift and 100% recovery. Just remember how many others out there have been told they'll never play sports again; be like the ambitious few and prove them wrong. Hang in there and keep the spirit up.

 

Well i am glad we are good again . Thank you for caring. I am still going to try to play football...i love it, just like my car

 

So you removed you bumper supports and gained almost half a second ehh? 450 lbs bumper supports?

Arguing with you is pointless. You make no valid points what so ever and run around like monkey on a sugar high.

You run around talking about bang for the buck and then you look for gains in Kmembers when you have a stock car. Then you tell me that your getting married, get paid very little and you will be dropping money into you car. Then you question the cost: gain of my stroker. catch my drift? You are for and against everything making this argument pointless and blantely obvious to everyone that you make so sence.


Then you claim that how your car will fair in an accident is irrelivent to the debate when all I am saying is that you car is unsafe due to the removed bumper supports.


You sound like an 8 year old in a cafeteria trying to impress everyone by yelling loud, making stupid comebacks that dont have any meaning and trying to gather as many friends as possible onto his side. Fortunaly most people here are over the age of 8.

Ohh no, dont make fun of my avitar

I've made my point-

20lbs = .02 seconds

Removing your bumper supports is big safety hazard and the risk to reward ratio is not there.




and C22-
I was reffering to your yelling back and forth at each that you appologized for to him a few min ago

 

That gives me hope that my car with weight reduction will be a 12sec bolt on when my new clutch is in. I also went 8.7 in the 1/8 with my slipping clutch. I still yet to put in my 1.6rr's and relocation brakets. Ill be shooting for an 8.1-8.3 once everything is done. Donsn't the aftermarket arena have plastic windsheilds for our cars to? If they have plastic replacements windsheilds and hatches that would remove ALOT of weight! Tho I don't think id do that untill my car is mainly for the strip.

 

Lexan I think-
VERY VERY expensive. until you have exhuasted bolt ons, weight reduction by replacing things (windows, K members ect) is a very expesive route to take on because

A. For something to be lighter and stronger(or as strong) its going to cost a lot more

B. it takes a lot to make a differance. 100lbs only makes .1 sec. most items you can replace dont weight 50lbs to begin with.

 

Bumper supports absorb some of the impact, but not all of it.
They are designed to absorb low speed (under 30mph) impact.

 

they also properly distribute the impact

that 30mph is no longer being abosbed by those supports and its going to ONE spot on the frame which means its probobly going to bend and be abosrbed on one spot (bad)

 

It's against the law in WA to remove the supports.

Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.37.513 Bumpers states, "When any motor vehicle was originally equipped with bumpers or any other collision energy absorption or attenuation system, that system shall be maintained in good operational condition and no person shall remove or disconnect, and no owner shall cause or knowingly permit the removal or disconnection or, any part of that system except temporarily in order to make repairs, replacements, or adjustments."