2013 GT500 Base MSRP = $54,995
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Speak for yourself! ZL1 is top of my list when my truck lease is up. I am looking at close to $40,000 for a loaded SS, another $15,000 on the pile isn't that big of a deal at that point. I will just have to save up for one more year before pulling the trigger is all.
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I find it hard to believe that some actually think that a ZL1 will "embarrass" or "cakewalk" a '12 GT500. The power/weight is very similar, both right at 7 lb/hp. Acceleration times/speeds should be in the same ballpark.
R&T tests:
ZL1 = 12.9 @ 113.1 (must be some reason why so slow)
GT500 = 12.4 @ 119.4
M/T tests:
ZL1 = 12.3 @ 119 (more like it)
GT500 = 12.5 @ 115 (hmm, now the GT500 is slow...)
580hp and 4250 lb. (car+driver+some fuel) or 550hp and 4050 lb. => similar acceleration, period.
The ZL1 straight-line performance is essentially equivalent to the '12 GT500. I don't need a head-to-head test to demonstrate this to my satisfaction.
For me, neither of these cars is even remotely in consideration as they are HUGELY overweight pigs (Camaro 200 lb. more so), and about 10mph slower in the 1/4 than my car
But I find it remarkable that fans can be so blind as to think that the ZL1 would "embarrass" or "cakewalk" a '12 GT500 when in fact they are pretty close.
But of course, a '12 GT500 has been available for how long now? The appropriate comparison is between the ZL1 and the '13 GT500.
There is no question about it, the '13 GT500 will DESTROY the ZL1, not even close. Surely no one harbors any illusions otherwise, right?
R&T tests:
ZL1 = 12.9 @ 113.1 (must be some reason why so slow)
GT500 = 12.4 @ 119.4
M/T tests:
ZL1 = 12.3 @ 119 (more like it)
GT500 = 12.5 @ 115 (hmm, now the GT500 is slow...)
580hp and 4250 lb. (car+driver+some fuel) or 550hp and 4050 lb. => similar acceleration, period.
The ZL1 straight-line performance is essentially equivalent to the '12 GT500. I don't need a head-to-head test to demonstrate this to my satisfaction.
For me, neither of these cars is even remotely in consideration as they are HUGELY overweight pigs (Camaro 200 lb. more so), and about 10mph slower in the 1/4 than my car
But I find it remarkable that fans can be so blind as to think that the ZL1 would "embarrass" or "cakewalk" a '12 GT500 when in fact they are pretty close.
But of course, a '12 GT500 has been available for how long now? The appropriate comparison is between the ZL1 and the '13 GT500.
There is no question about it, the '13 GT500 will DESTROY the ZL1, not even close. Surely no one harbors any illusions otherwise, right?
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I think we need to resist the temptation to think what happened between say, the new 340-ish HP 1998 LS1 Camaro and the old 225 HP 4.6 GT of the same vintage translates to these cars. Look, we're talking about production vehicles with 580 and 650 HP. You put those power numbers onto street tires and who the ^%$# knows what will happen, especially on a case-by-case basis. I fully expect a good launch by an amateur in a 2013 GT500 on stock radials to be about as rare as a teenager's tastefully done Integra.
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In a straight line, on paper, sure - but races aren't run on paper.
I think we need to resist the temptation to think what happened between say, the new 340-ish HP 1998 LS1 Camaro and the old 225 HP 4.6 GT of the same vintage translates to these cars. Look, we're talking about production vehicles with 580 and 650 HP. You put those power numbers onto street tires and who the ^%$# knows what will happen, especially on a case-by-case basis. I fully expect a good launch by an amateur in a 2013 GT500 on stock radials to be about as rare as a teenager's tastefully done Integra.
I think we need to resist the temptation to think what happened between say, the new 340-ish HP 1998 LS1 Camaro and the old 225 HP 4.6 GT of the same vintage translates to these cars. Look, we're talking about production vehicles with 580 and 650 HP. You put those power numbers onto street tires and who the ^%$# knows what will happen, especially on a case-by-case basis. I fully expect a good launch by an amateur in a 2013 GT500 on stock radials to be about as rare as a teenager's tastefully done Integra.
GT500 Article - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords
I'm guessing anyone that can push a few buttons will have very little trouble launching the car, and if you take the time to adjust it accordingly to account for temperature and pavement surface, well it should be a perfect launch almost every time......
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Interesting, and while it sounds like they've finally got a launch control system that's "foolproof" we'll see what happens. In the past most people have turned them off because they caused the car to bog, and that's with considerably less power.
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Please give a list of factory stock cars running 11.7 or better on street tires. I think you will find that list puts the GT500 with some VERY special and expensive cars. To say 11.7 is pathetic for a factory stock car on street tires is complete ignorance,
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Speak for yourself! ZL1 is top of my list when my truck lease is up. I am looking at close to $40,000 for a loaded SS, another $15,000 on the pile isn't that big of a deal at that point. I will just have to save up for one more year before pulling the trigger is all.
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But yet, waiting till your truck lease is up to buy one (not like you're gonna trade it in) is???
I'm pretty sure you could get a decent deal on the lease penalty being that the dealer would make pretty good bank off of a ZL1 sale.
I know we all tend to get a bit excited during arguments and debate, but you gotta admit Geo, that's kinda thin don't ya think?
After reading that, I figured i'd mess with ya a bit.
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I want you to read this very carefully...
A high 11 second 1/4 mile time for a 650hp pony car IS pathetic. The price and the company it keeps is completely irrelevant. The time itself isn't pathetic, it's what it needs to do it. 650 ****ing horsepower!!! In a Mustang! High 11s on street tires in ANY Mustang SHOULD be done with with FAR less than 650hp, period. Too bad the GT500 has NEVER performed up to it's paper potential. It's a paper warrior, a dyno queen. Big power that it just can't use.
Just as a reference, while my car was modded, I ran 11.7 on a regular 18" street tire (285/40r18), at nearly the same weight (3700+) as the GT500. The important part is that I did it with 380rwhp. Furthermore, I've seen a Boss 302 go 12.1 completely stock. The same platform with over 200hp MORE is only good for a couple of tenths? Pathetic.
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I agree that the Mustang, and *especially* the Camaro are FAR too heavy, and will be slowish for their power output.
But to call them dyno queens is absurd. They can and will do a passable job at the drag strip *and* at the road course *and* on the street.
As far as I'm concerned, "DRAG queens" (street cars that punch over their weight in terms of ET at the strip because they are modded to do the 1/4 without regard to street or road course performance) are as pointless to me as dyno queens. For me, trap speed is more important than ET, as I'm more interested in power/weight and road course potential, not superquick 60' times. Personal preference...
Also, the difference between 12.1 and 11.7 is *three* tenths, not a couple. Three tenths is not insignificant...
But to call them dyno queens is absurd. They can and will do a passable job at the drag strip *and* at the road course *and* on the street.
As far as I'm concerned, "DRAG queens" (street cars that punch over their weight in terms of ET at the strip because they are modded to do the 1/4 without regard to street or road course performance) are as pointless to me as dyno queens. For me, trap speed is more important than ET, as I'm more interested in power/weight and road course potential, not superquick 60' times. Personal preference...
Also, the difference between 12.1 and 11.7 is *three* tenths, not a couple. Three tenths is not insignificant...
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