I understand what you are saying and I am not calling his business a scam. The point I'm making is that a business should provide a background for a likelyhood of good results.

I'll give some examples:

Ed wright will not give you a program unless you pay for it. How do I know that I'm likely to get great results?...his credentials.

Same with Joe O, C.A.M., A.I., my personal engine builder (National AND World record holder).

I think you'll agree that I understand your point, and now you may see why others are seeking credentials?

 

All spoken out of context, the flame fest with a member here about a custom cam only cam. The issue was he got the cam from Bret, and then he got the specs.....at that point he started believing he got an off the shelf cam and wanted to return it. Again this is another problem with giving specs, just because the duration specs looked similar to an off the shelf grind....the average user doesn't know how to break the info down, into valve events to see the difference. He got a custom cam, that he didn't know the difference in. Later threads showed the same user trying to make his own custom cam by ordering an off the shelf cam with a tighter LSA. I forget the next members issues, but it was fixed by a trip out there to fix it. I'm also not sure if the problem was soley that of Brets work, but many more issues all bundled into 1. I believe the same member has had more problems since, but nothing to do with Brets work. Next, that L92 402 was one of the first running combos done, so as with many other projects done...it was done and chalked as an experience and R&D into the L92 heads. Since then we have learned much more. Read up on HardcoreLs1.com, to find more info on that situation. The end result was also that the member was very happy with Bret's work, and may come back for another cam soon to make more power. Oh, BTW that was kinda a low blow since there are a ton of underperforming L92 headed combos out there. Look at a self proclaimed cam guru/sponser on LS1tech who spec'd a much larger grind for a L92/402 that made way less power with a much larger cam.

Cliff notes: 2-3 examples mentioned result in a happy customer of Bret's, that have stated they would return for business in the future.

 

yes....and what

you do realize we are talking about cams here right

 

You were talkin about LE setups not cams.

 

Precisely my point as well. I said thats a good idea as well. Credentials are a great thing to have, and perhaps when Bret gets the chance he will have a nice website made up, with more of that. What I don't agree with is all the bashing being done until that is finished. Deductive reasoning with freedom of speech is a great thing, however when credentials/resume is posted in form of a portfolio will those that have said negative things with no warrant retract statements?

 

if your gonna comment in this retarded thread then please, please pay better attention, this thread is all about how horrible brets cams are, yet for some reason no-one can come up with any unhappy customers

 

For the whole last 5 pages everyone was arguing about times with LE setups, not just bretts cams. Anyway I'm done with this thread since everyone loves to twist words around in it, continue on.

 

Before you leave, were you not satisfied with Bret's cam? I know you got to run it with your heads, before Lloyd touched them. How do you feel?

 

Pot meet Kettle?

Seems like you just called out a person for producing under performing setups while claiming to be the greatest at something with no credentials or substantiation...

I don't want to call that hypocracy, but it is close.

 

You made the right conclusion about asking for LE/BRE setups. Your setups is plenty perdinent here.

 

Pot meet kettle to me? Come on now. I am not calling PG out, I am stating the facts. I was giving an example, even on a R&D attempt with Bret's cam, he already made 20+ RWHP more then another guy that specs cams, and on that site is supposed to be a great cam designer. I don't believe it to by hypocracy, just an good example. Bret has credentials, just not a website directly towards marketing them to the general public. With some research it would be pretty easy to find some pretty fine ones at that.

 

I would like to know the same. And as far as your heads go, lets just say it's a shame. But I really can't comment on what might have happened to cause the damage. Can you say for certain? Did you not get any satisfaction from Lloyds machine shop, if it was their doing? My quess, and only a guess, would be that someone else besides the regular person that installs guides worked on you heads. Sounds like something that would happen to me. So if you would like to refresh everyones (me) memory on the conversation and results of same, I'm all ears.

 

I have made it clear I am referring to this site only. So far there have been three cars brought up that have run decent numbers. Stock displacement has also been specified since that's what the majority run. This was mentioned many posts ago. Why are you bringing this up now? Or is it that selective reading syndrome? To be honest I'm not sure I've seen a decent LE/BRE stroker that has run any better than the three decent numbered stock displacement engines mentioned.

He had a BRE cam with his LE heads and he is not satisfied. Don't be stupid. You will do/say anything to save your pathetic motive.

 

yes and what part of his setup is he not happy with

why dont you ask him yourself cause i already know,

guess what...... its not the cam, atleast not from what he has been posting

 

If YOU are going to contribute to this thread, stop trying to twist the point of the argument.