thesoundandthefury

To hell with solid empirical evidence. Popularity contests are wayyyy cooler.

SStrokerAce

Yeah you can call it BOLD all you want... as for what they don't know it's a lot of things, but why would I clue them in on it? I don't call it bold or cocky, because I've tested them and seen the proof.

I've seen enough instances where head to head with the same supporting parts other than the valvetrain I've flat out made more power and made the car more of what the customer wanted. You give me a engine dyno and a drive around test on any setup and I have no problem saying that I'll come out on top. The fact that I put out more custom cams for LT1's in a year than both of them combined is only one part of the equation. The other part is that I think outside of the box, and I've yet to see anything else out there that even comes close to going in the right direction in a number of areas of the camshaft. I do see a lot of "others" work FWIW.

Bret

SS MPSTR

...or people like Harold Brookshire.

SStrokerAce

You can bring ole Harold on too... I seriously mean that. I wouldn't have a job if major cam companies knew how to spec shelf cams for guys.

Bret

SS MPSTR

You've got it all figured out So, if your 'job' is to specifiy and sell cams to guys here on this site, where's your sponsorship banner?

SStrokerAce

Where is Ai's? Or is that sponsorship just going thru you?

I send guys to Lloyd, even when they come to me for something directly, sometimes they only want to deal with me, but other than that it's none of your bussiness, but you seem to think otherwise?

Well considering I've had my cams in front of engine builders that I respect and they questioned them before the build but definately not afterward I'm not complaining.

BTW what do you ever bring to any thread you are in? What is this tid bit of info that you have that's so worthwhile?

Bret

P.S. Gary.... we don't have a ******* filter on this forum so what else can you do? I'm never going to back down from the fact that I will always put up what I do against anyone. I understand where you are coming from though.

thesoundandthefury

Let's try and keep our focus on the topic at hand...

Well?

SStrokerAce

I'd like to hear this... it's entertaining to have the "Ai representitive" in here to tell us how the world works.

FWIW if you want to see how well a CNC machine can make junk look at this
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=57

I like CNC machining when it's worthwhile but it can also turn out junk faster than it can turn out quality. So let's not base this on a CNC vs. Hand porting thread. Because I wouldn't pay for that CNC porting if I had a gun against my head. There is always junk and the method to get to the final product doesn't matter, just like camshafts. The end results are the key. (BTW this isin't about Ai's CNC maching which looks good from what I have seen.)

Bret

Grease

Well do you care to give an example of one of these tests where you compared the 2 because "I"ve seen the proof" just doesn't cut it. And don't take this thew wrong way, I've seen pretty good numbers with LE2 packages with your cams but never any jaw dropping results from, one of your cams.

SStrokerAce

Look at the TQ numbers on any of them vs. another cam, Joe O, Comp whatever, the 20-30ft lbs didn't come out of nowhere. 365rwtq vs. 390rwtq is a BIG difference. Maybe if you layed the curves over most setups i've seen out there without my cams against ones that do you would understand, it's not the peak numbers that I worry about. Then again my stuff has been called peaky by Ai, which I think is laughable. Again, I didn't open up that can.

That's why a engine dyno test would be interesting.

You ever see when Lloyd says the cams are small? Well that's because I make the same or more power with less... wonder how that works. FWIW all that matters is that the guy who works with me on them is happy and sees the difference. I follow it just to make sure I know that it's doing much better than anyone else.

Bret

MachinistOne

At least in my experiance, a hand ported head is always better on a production casting than CNC. A good hand porter can see and feel the differences from one port to another and make the changes necessary, there is core shift in heads too and that means that some ports need to have a little different work done than others. CNC is a way to make repeatable, cost effective results fast...but they will always be 5% behind the hand port. As for the lap line crap that was posted, I know old dudes that can use stones and set their stem installeds withen .002" of each other, anyone telling you that your vj needs to be more accurate than that is full of BS. I can put all my valves on the thou with the vgs20 and never need to lap a valve except to show the position for porting reasons. So this whole arguement over CNC quality over the guy doing it by hand is totally wrong, most heads I get from cnc porting houses need a VJ out of the box to correct for concentricity and seat width placements, so my point is that the CNC is only as good as the operator and if the operator is bad than the results can be much worse than if there had been some human control. Now I have never seen AI heads, so don't take this as anything against them personally and I am sure they put much more attention into their stuff than some companies I have seen, I am just giving broad scope info.

SStrokerAce

Gary, I've seen times where SB2 race heads made more power with lapping the valves and if you didn't do this the motor made less power.... it doesn't make sense to me either with the quality of those valve jobs.

Bret

tireburnin

Settle down. It's about heads/cam not name calling or insinuations.

And as for specing cams that make 390rwtq...your a bit behind the curve (I can make puns too!). My Ai nitrous cam made 390rwtq (in a 355 6spd) almost a year and a half ago. If thier cams are so inferior to yours/LE spec'd cams, how is that possible? For every 1 car that you've had hit 390+ rwtq, how many have only made in the high 370s to low 380s? How many of your 390-400 cars are strokers?

hsyr

Is it me or is it always a Ai vs LE arguement over who purchased what? Guy 1 who has Ai heads on his car gives Ai the respect. Guy 2 who has LE heads on his car gives LE the respect.

Please ladies, calm down

Hot94Z28

When will the maddness end I think both make good power and wish the pissing contest would end But I dont blame Brett for defending his work I would do the same if I was in his shoes