To go faster than your average guy you can't keep doing what the average guy does. All the above average guys think outside the norm....which is why they are faster. To be honest..you want to beat the norm..find someone that has done it or is building cars that consistantly do it. If they are willing to share pick their brains untill its dry. Most will give you some help if you ask the right questions. One of the fastest heads/cam cars I've seen with my own eyes went 11.2. This was with a hyd. roller, lt1 heads with stock valve sizes, 176 CC chambers, and only "flowed" 256 on the intake(my 10 sec. lt1 heads only "flowed" 243 average across the ports). This was on the first runs of the car and had plenty left in it. Since then I've seen a cam only lt1 go 11.2s. also(sorry Joe..had to talk about franks car again)

 

Not sure about that? I saw Joe O run his car a couple times at the local track and I was there on one of his record breaking trips...

 

I'm glad you consider me such a threat.... but then again i'd be sore if I was you as well.

BTW it's not hard to qualify for a race when there are only 4-5 guys who show up to race. Pony up and get your other motor done already if you don't want to hear crap like this.

Bret

 

I hear ya, and I try to avoid being the average guy.. my car is still sorta setup for my old cam only setup, which I think did well, but nowhere near ideal for my setup going in. A 224/230 cam only car with a mild stall and I went 12.0's @ 112.8.. I think that's decent, and out of the norm for your typical car. The only brains I have to pick when it comes to LT1 stuff is the stuff I read off you guys making the #'s... so I'll keep pickin' ya yaz if ya don't mind

I'm currently understalled, and undergeared.. limping on a semi-working 10 bolt which is screaming at me after every pass.

1SlowFormula.. don't misconstrue my post, Joe O's car, Rick A's car, Frank95Z's car.. these cars are far from the norm.. and if they're not.. I must be racing in the wrong state.

 

Well, I just might buy another cam from Bret, a few months back I tried buying a custom grind from Joe O. but was never there to answer the phone or email's or on his web site. So yes I would buy from Bret again.

 

Threat BWHAHAHAHA not hardly, you still till this day have failed to have a car run equal to cars with 3 old cams I done years ago let alone make anymore power !!! you know whats funny those 4-5 guys that show up at the PRO races ,you are not one of them... Pony up ,is what I've done every year, why would things be any different

 

Ment it as a joke and forgot my smiley...

 

ah, gotcha 1slow

 

And my friend thats your choice and I'm but one person, I dont do this for a living never have... Bret evidentally does and has alot more time on his hands to post, answer calls and so on... Maybe one day things will be different, right now "time" is something I dont have much of, Hence why I dont post on boards all that much anymore..Forgot how much fun I had.. .. Wish you luck !!

 

This guy knows what he's doing, a local guy with just mild heads and one of his cams went 11.70's at like 118mph with a very small cam too. It was insane, in a LT1 formula. If i had known he was still making cams i would of given him a call when i was in the market for one.

 

Honestly instead of bickering like a bunch of little girls it'd be nice to just see some fast LT1's come out of this from both camps.

There seems to be 234213409782341234 fast LS1 cars, and only a few "trophy" LT1 cars.

That's just what it looks like from my viewpoint.

 

I think I can explain that. Many people have jumped ship and gone to the ls1 that are willing to go to the extremes that it takes to make a really fast car. Since those people are 97% driving ls1s now that leaves the "normal" people who won't go to the extremes that it takes. Everyone feels that its easier to make power with a ls1...while it may be true to a certain point it doesn't mean it can't be done by a lt1..just takes more effort. So..that is why there are only a few "trophy" lt1s out there in my opinion.

 

Bret,

Lol, maybe it's the nitrous motor and cam you missed. I don't have light weight parts or anything trick to make power on motor.

Maybe its the custom nitrous pistons with lower ring lands, 4 bolt mains, hellfire rings, rods and crank that make all the extra power? Maybe it's the wide split and 112+ LSA cam that's in the motor? ...Even though I've watched you post at least 1 billion times that, "Heads and cam are where your power is made."

I even have inferior parts according to you. (977 springs )

And Ai has made far more HP and torque in stroker motors with shelf cams!
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PS: were your numbers SAE corrected, or better sales corrected (STD)? I've noticed lots of STD numbers being posted...good for sales, bad for comparison.

 

Makes sense.. was discussing something along those lines with an LT1 buddy online earlier.

Frustrating I guess.. especially when there's all this bickering.

 

I am glad I stuck with the LT1 platform all these years. Now with the ability to convert to single plane intakes and standalone engine management....the possibilities are endless.

Tony Shepherd