thesoundandthefury

These "apples" you speak of: what are they and how should we be comparing them to determine which company makes the better product? Care to shed some light?

Javier97Z28

It probably will

I'd honestly like to see some more times out of both camps to tell the truth. Rick's car is cool and all.. but I'm sure most will agree that it doesn't appear to be the norm. How many full weight 13x trap LT1 casting cars have we seen?

SStrokerAce

Javier, for your car you gotta put EGT probes in the headers, throw the thing on the dyno and tweak the crap out of the tune, throw on a vacuum pump, shaft mounts, solid roller and oh yeah wheelie bars to make it a comparable street car first.

There is no doubt this will get ugly like it always does, the same dudes are already pushing it there.

Bret

Javier97Z28

How fast do you wanna spend today?

SS MPSTR

Well, first neither of them 'make' a product - they offer services, and the respective value that each offers is personal preference (i.e. they simply like the guy) for some, and objectively qualified (i.e. proven services) for others (and for some, it's both) - you'd have to ask everyone individually what that is worth to them dollarwise. As far as a relative comparison of the parts that are put on the heads, that's easy - are they the same parts?

SS MPSTR

Is there one LE LT1-headed car in this category? And I agree, Rick's car has been put together well, there are no spared expenses or time, and it is driven well. Does that mean it cannot be duplicated with similar effort and time? Of course not.

SS MPSTR

Hello Pot, is that you? It's me, Kettle.


Relax Bret.

Javier97Z28

Not that I know of Just sayin', it's not the norm, so people throwing a set of Ai heads on their cars shouldn't expect to be going 13x traps outta the box.

People throw around "get the same heads as a 13x trap car".. sure, may be the same heads, but it may mislead people, that's all. I haven't seen many max effort LE cars either, so it's hard to compare, I'd love to be one of them but I can only spend so much this year

Of course, anyone scewed that easily shouldn't really be into this, but that's just me

scrmnws6

I tlaked to both as well, and talking with Lloyd was great. Answered all the million and a half emails I sent him every night.

Ill have mine car running the secon weekend in June. Ill post up dyno and track results then.

And you think that with just the same heads and cam that AI's car is running, you'll be able to get that 130+mph timeslip? Nope, not unless you have an idential setup you wont. Its all about supporting mods. W/o, all you are going to do is be dissapointed in yourself and blame either AI or LE.

tireburnin

Why not compare the LE2 heads to Ai 180cc heads?

It really depends on what your trying to accomplish and how much “attention to detail” matters to you. If your looking for a hand ported head I think the 180cc Ai head would be a better comparison of price, performance and parts.

SStrokerAce

Hey, as I said before let's throw a LE package, a AI package for a 3000-6500rpm 350 cube motor to Golen and have them throw them on the engine dyno. Hell let's put a CC306 cam in there as well so we can compare them on the same camshaft as well, it would be good to see all the differences that the heads and the cams make. If they want to go with smaller valves and a much smaller port, then fine I don't care.

You guys basically saying that Ai has more attention to detail because they mill a few more things or whatever is pretty insulting to Lloyd. The things that count like VJ, port sizes in certain areas, guide clearance etc... are what really count and both places check that.

Bret

thesoundandthefury

Thanks for clearing that up.

The individual engine configurations of the respective customers of both LE and AI are as varied as the sands on the seashore. Common sense would dictate that to use power numbers produced by the total sum of parts in each of these engines to determine the performance level of any one part in the equation is going to show results that are too varied and subjective to have a definitive answer. I took it that by your statement of comparing "apples to apples," you were referring to the standards for judging head performance in and of themselves, but it appears not.

Let's pretend that we have a set of heads from both companies that have the exact same parts....what else is there to compare?

Honda Hunter

Itll never happen.

scrmnws6

Sure it can. I even volunteered my car. If someone wants to cover the labor of switching the heads, retunning and dyno time, and sending over a set of AI's heads, Im game.

My LE2 package will be here within a week, and everything is getting installed/tuned the second weekend in June.

Honda Hunter

Everythread like this goes the same way and the sames things are said. Time for someone to pick up the ball and make it happen. Still wont put anything to rest. I think both heads should be flowed on the same bench also before testing which Golen can do I think