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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
Also, you are still assuming that Zeta will be exactly like the current GTO, and not a "de-costed" Sigma.

Yes.

There is no point to designing a "new" platform that performs like Sigma but costs less.

Because......

The only reason that Sigma costs more than the V-car, is the suspension. And virtually, the only reason Sigma performs better than V-car is the suspension. Add an SLA multilink set-up to it...and V-car cost the same as Sigma (and we already have Sigma). Delete Sigma's suspension...to save cost... and you're left with V-car (and we already have V-car).

No freebees. There are no super secret, super performing, supercheap components...reserved only for Zeta. It's ALL marketing spin.

It is my understanding that Zeta is simply V-car, re-engineered to fit North American manufacturing bill of process. It is also my impression that it's considered "new" because now it can be assembled in NA plants...rather than only Holden. It's is also my impression that the car's suspension, will now be a complete carry-over.

Who knows Darth.....your GTO may be the '08 Camaro. Or more likely...the car we've been thinking might be Camaro.

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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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Which brings up a suspicion I've had for quite some time here. Zeta is not all new. In fact Zeta seems to be a carryover of Holden's V car. Replete with it's high firewall, Macpherson struts and outdated semi-trailing arm rear suspension.

This is just you take right? Because the whole thread seems to spawn off that thinking in that paragraph.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 12:59 PM
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This is just you take right? Because the whole thread seems to spawn off that thinking in that paragraph.

My take, based on all the info available to me.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 02:50 PM
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Here's another thing to chew on.

Is it possible that the Australian Zeta and American Zeta are substantially different?
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 02:53 PM
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My take, based on all the info available to me.
Ok. Cool.

I was getting confused anyways, lol.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 03:00 PM
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Here's another thing to chew on.

Is it possible that the Australian Zeta and American Zeta are substantially different?

This would be odd at best.

Why not just give them different names if that is the case?

And, unless governmental issues are spurring the differences, why develop two platforms for use in different countries, when Lutz has been tooting the "global structure"?

Doesn't seem to add up....
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
This would be odd at best.

Why not just give them different names if that is the case?

And, unless governmental issues are spurring the differences, why develop two platforms for use in different countries, when Lutz has been tooting the "global structure"?

Doesn't seem to add up....
Not really two platforms.

I'm thinking one structure...with two different suspension systems.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Not really two platforms.

I'm thinking one structure...with two different suspension systems.
Even still.... why??

Why develop two seperate suspensions systems for two seperate countries?

What is gained by doing this, and making them exclusive to each country?

Still doesn't make sense, unless both setups would be used in both places...
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by graham
This is just you take right? Because the whole thread seems to spawn off that thinking in that paragraph.
He has no idea what he is talking about. The Zeta is a better Chassis for the Camaro, and this Buick that will be sharing the same platform, is not a sedan, its a rwd sport coupe with a V8 (cough cough, whats that sound like..camaro?). IT'S SET IN STONE FOR ZETA, it has been and it always will. They have been working on the Zeta based Camaro for 3+ years and you think they would abdandon all those years of R&D and money overnight for a SMALL roadster platform, you must be insane. As soon as you guys see a new platform you automatically think "OMG CAMARO!"

The modified Kappa platform for the Camaro has to be the worst idea yet.

Z284ever, you really need do some better "research" before you start opening your mouth and implanting your horrible ideas into these peoples minds.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 04:25 PM
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.......Z284ever, you really need do some better "research" before you start opening your mouth and implanting your horrible ideas into these peoples minds.
Wow, and welcome to the interweb yourself.

Charlie's been around here since Moses and does his homework.......just who the heck are you? And why should we believe a word of what you say?

How about introducing yourself before you come on here with your one post and slam a long time poster.....whose been right more than not.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 04:27 PM
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When I say great things are coming...I'm not necessarily talking about an 'F' body but rather other cars that will satisfy the performance appetite. Stay tuned.
When is GM going to understand that a lot of people's appetites simply won't be satisfied if there is no Camaro.

To me, if there is no Camaro in the Chevy portfolio then I am not interested period. Corvette is too expensive and GTO is nice but not what I'm looking for. And any other new car that pretends to be a Camaro but isn't is a slap in the face.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
When is GM going to understand that a lot of people's appetites simply won't be satisfied if there is no Camaro.

To me, if there is no Camaro in the Chevy portfolio then I am not interested period. Corvette is too expensive and GTO is nice but not what I'm looking for. And any other new car that pretends to be a Camaro but isn't is a slap in the face.
Amen.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 05:17 PM
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Z284ever, you really need do some better "research" before you start opening your mouth and implanting your horrible ideas into these peoples minds.

Ummm..... thanks for the input.

BTW, where do you do your research?

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Old Oct 25, 2004 | 05:25 PM
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When is GM going to understand that a lot of people's appetites simply won't be satisfied if there is no Camaro.

To me, if there is no Camaro in the Chevy portfolio then I am not interested period. Corvette is too expensive and GTO is nice but not what I'm looking for. And any other new car that pretends to be a Camaro but isn't is a slap in the face.
Couldn't have said it better, Wilson.
Old Oct 25, 2004 | 05:33 PM
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BTW, where do you do your research?
From better and more reliable sources.



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