Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Originally Posted by rlchv70
Camaro's purpose:
The original purpose of the Z28 has homologation for Trans Am racing. These cars were defined as four passenger "sedans" with a wheelbase of 116". http://www.amx-perience.com/TransAmRacing1968.htm
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- Distinctively modern aerodynamic styling for a clean functional appearance
- Small, highly maneuverable size with packaging for four passengers
- A very broad range of available performance capability
- Quick, sharply defined roadability with a firm, yet comfortable ride
- "Cockpit-type" interiors for close driver identification
- An evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, basic design approach to maintain maximum value to the customer
- Wide Selection of mechanical and appearance equipment to allow customer tailoring to his needs and desires'
The original purpose of the Z28 has homologation for Trans Am racing. These cars were defined as four passenger "sedans" with a wheelbase of 116". http://www.amx-perience.com/TransAmRacing1968.htm
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Originally Posted by rlchv70
If it has enough in common with Sigma, you could even transfer its aluminum suspension components over.
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Originally Posted by jg95z28
Actually the 1st gen Camaros had a 108" wheel base.
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
It also had a maximum engine displacement of 5.0 L (305 cid) which is why the Z28 originally had a 283 until Vince Piggins got the idea of sticking a hardened 283 crank in a 327 block to get 302.5 cid. 
The point being... 1st and 2nd gens had a 108" wheelbase. The 3rd and 4th gens had 101" wheelbase. We're now changing directions 180 degrees.
The point being... 1st and 2nd gens had a 108" wheelbase. The 3rd and 4th gens had 101" wheelbase. We're now changing directions 180 degrees.
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Originally Posted by rlchv70
Remember, we want the Camaro around for a LOONNNNGGGG time. It must have broad, affordable appeal and be profitable for GM. This means we have to have some compromises.
*deep breath - can't believe I'm going to say it*
I'm probably willing to live with front struts IF THEY'RE DONE RIGHT and do not resemble the 3rd gen modified strut arrangment.
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There. I compromised.
The car still can't be 3600lbs for me though.
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Originally Posted by Big Als Z
So if I wrap it all together, what I hear is that the "Camaro" will Zetaish or some sort of heavy Sigma, or very much like the GTO is in size but lower weight, and shapped with a first gen flare. Long story short, GM took the road Ford did, and will be beat up for it.
to this post...they will be beat up for it, and its too bad that a copycat theme is as imaginative as GM could get. Again, I hope Charlie is wrong...but I know he's not.Lets up that retro thing isn't as blatant as the Mustang. Otherwise...ewww...
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
One thing I will add though...if it looks good, it looks good. I love the HHR, and there is no question its retro, in a hot rod sorta way. So not all retro is evil...but the Mustang's retro is, at least to me.
I just don't want a rip off of an old design, and then have Chevy get flamed by the media and the public if/when they do what Ford did 3 years prior. Its bad enough I can't get a MODERN looking, new-age design. If its too retro, that will kill the car IMO.
I just don't want a rip off of an old design, and then have Chevy get flamed by the media and the public if/when they do what Ford did 3 years prior. Its bad enough I can't get a MODERN looking, new-age design. If its too retro, that will kill the car IMO.
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Jason E: . Its bad enough I can't get a MODERN looking, new-age design. If its too retro, that will kill the car IMO.
BTW, If it can run the numbers, better than a 4th gen, does the weight issue really matter???(slalom included)
I know the GTO does really well,
for the "PORKER" some make it out to be.... 
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i don't think we have to much too worry about YET. if RP and Guy aren't yankin our chains, the 5th gen should be able to be just as much "go" as "show". i'm still holding all praise and/or b****ing til i at least see the concept.
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I seriously don't think anyone is gonna complain once it gets here.. everyone will just be glad to have a rwd v8 coupefrom chevy called Camaro back...
and GM wouldn't **** up the vette I don't think they'll **** up the camaro.
and GM wouldn't **** up the vette I don't think they'll **** up the camaro.
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....
Friends...............
as you fret over this (and by the way.....I'm truly glad that there still is huge passion for these cars.........) ... (but please.....some of you.......you're killing me with your jumping to conclusions....).........I'd like you to keep one thing in mind........and toy with this in your mind for a while.......
Would you want to 'repaint' the Mona Lisa?
Great design can show many generations in one car....and still be a knock-out. Wouldn't it be grand if the design had flavors of all four generations in it????
(confidential to Drew........nope ...never designed one! That's GM Design's job........but don't believe everything you hear........not that I'm saying you do......)
as you fret over this (and by the way.....I'm truly glad that there still is huge passion for these cars.........) ... (but please.....some of you.......you're killing me with your jumping to conclusions....).........I'd like you to keep one thing in mind........and toy with this in your mind for a while.......
Would you want to 'repaint' the Mona Lisa?
Great design can show many generations in one car....and still be a knock-out. Wouldn't it be grand if the design had flavors of all four generations in it????
(confidential to Drew........nope ...never designed one! That's GM Design's job........but don't believe everything you hear........not that I'm saying you do......)