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Old Sep 4, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by guionM
* The 5th gen won't be lighter than the 4th gen.
Why? IRS and a body structure that's engineered to handle a godawful amount of power. Hint: what's the most horsepower that GM currently has in a production vehicle.
Since the Z06 isn't available yet, I would have to go with the 400hp 6.0L
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by mastrdrver
Since the Z06 isn't available yet, I would have to go with the 400hp 6.0L
I'm hoping for an underrated supercharged LS2 in the high end model, sort of like the GT500. Atleast I can dream...
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 06:33 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

What's pathetic about it is, the fourth gen was heavy enough as-is(too heavy, actually, but styling made up for it), and hearing the fifth is going to be even heavier/bigger, pretty much kills it for me. Not to mention the fact that the designs the insiders have said are pretty close to the end product, are hideous to me.

Don't worry, I know GM just wants to make a car that will not fail, but I don't see how they can think that completely copycatting Ford is going to make them a success. Yeah, I believe it will be a better car, but it's still pathetic GM is that desperate.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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Heavier car, with an LS2 (IRS) that dynos only 10-30rwhp or so more than a lighter stock LS1 car.... I really hope they tweak the LS2 for more power by the time the car comes out.

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Old Sep 4, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by mastrdrver
Since the Z06 isn't available yet, I would have to go with the 400hp 6.0L
[optomism]BUT.......the Z06 is a production vehicle. AND...it has the most power offered in all of GM. SO.....505hp?!?!?! [/optomism]

i can dream for a 500hp Z28, can't i?
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by Sharker524
What's pathetic about it is, the fourth gen was heavy enough as-is(too heavy, actually, but styling made up for it), and hearing the fifth is going to be even heavier/bigger, pretty much kills it for me. Not to mention the fact that the designs the insiders have said are pretty close to the end product, are hideous to me.

Don't worry, I know GM just wants to make a car that will not fail, but I don't see how they can think that completely copycatting Ford is going to make them a success. Yeah, I believe it will be a better car, but it's still pathetic GM is that desperate.
It's not desperate, it's business. The Mustang is selling well, so why would Chevy release something with a completely different formula? Just remember that the Camaro came into being as a copycat, and there's nothing wrong with that if it's still a unique, fun car. Given that the most successful Camaro's have stuck to this plan, I won't worry.

And again, it is worth mentioning that you have not seen this car, that you have not driven this car, that you have no idea what it will really weigh, have no idea what engines it will have or how it will handle. You know basically that there is a project going on a GM that, given proper circumstances, should enter the market as a Camaro sometime within the next five years. If you don't want this car based upon what you know, then you basically do not want any car due to come out in the next several years.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by guionM
Right on all counts.

* It's going to be about the same size of the Mustang, but it may appear larger. The long wheelbase and relatively modest length (like the Velite) is rumored to throw the size a bit (perhaps why the fear that the car's too large).
I always thought the Velite was (or appeared to be) too big for a modern Ponycar. This picture always helped my perception. Hmmm...it is shorter than my Camaro... I hope it doesn't appear too large.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
In a heartbeat - it is well worth it to me. It might not be worth it to you, you, you or you.....but I'll be spending my money, not yours, yours, yours, or yours.
Bob lets admit what we already know, the buying public will cry a river if a car costs $1000 more than its closest competitor, even if it is a slightly better car. The price point is the number one thing that the bean counters are looking at and in the weight vs price category price will win. Weather you or I or Scott would rather it weigh less, PRICE, content, and style are what matter to most consumers.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Why are so many people panicking? All we have here are a few vague clues. We don't know how much it is going to weigh, just that it might be more than a 4th gen. We don't know how much power it is going to have. It could be little more than the ls1, but it could be a hell of alot more. We don't know what it is going to look like, just that it will kinda look like a 1st gen.

Wait until you have the facts before you decide you don't like it.

From what we've heard from the 'insiders' on this thread, I'm damn excited, I think we possibly are going to have one of the most exciting cars we've ever seen.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

soooooooooooo.........

....who SAID it would weigh more than a 4th gen?

Again.....great that you have passion.......but people, calm down......

way too many rumors running around here.........
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Bob lets admit what we already know, the buying public will cry a river if a car costs $1000 more than its closest competitor, even if it is a slightly better car. The price point is the number one thing that the bean counters are looking at and in the weight vs price category price will win. Weather you or I or Scott would rather it weigh less, PRICE, content, and style are what matter to most consumers.
Ok, I don't disagree with that. However, you asked, so I answered. Not my fault that my answer didn't agree with your preconceived notions.

BTW....who's panicking? Who needs to calm down? It's an internet message forum, and the current topic of discussion has LOTS of unknown. Speculation, opinions, etc are to be expected. Even the not-so-flattering ones.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 09:01 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

OK, forget the weight issue and lets go back to the beginning...

Basically we are getting the best Camaro ever built with power to back it up... Sounds like a great deal to me... Where do I sign???
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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Too many conflicting ideas. We are giving size and weight to a car that wont be in production for at least 18 months. In all reality, its a concept, and we will see nothing more.
The Mustang concept looked heavier to me then the production one, IMO anyway, and that was a 2 seater concept to a 4 seater production car.

What I cant stop thinking about is the Aston DB9 that was posted a few months ago. Thats very heavy looking, long wheel base, as well it fits the Camaro Formula.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 09:25 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

Originally Posted by Big Als Z
...The Mustang concept looked heavier to me then the production one, IMO anyway...
I gotta ask....how did it "look" heavier?
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 09:29 PM
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Re: Reality check on the 5th gen reality check.....

one thing to keep in mind......

weight....(or lack thereof) can hamper or improve performance and fuel economy....both are very dear to GM.

That said, there's always an economic balance. You can use lots of carbon fiber and titanium......but that adds cost.

Rest assured that we understand the importance of a weight loss program.

(boy could I use one myself these days!)



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