FYI,

The reason the CTS-V uses an LS6 is because they couldn't get the Northstar to fit in a longitudinal arrangement....or so I've been told. It was just easier to throw the LS6 in.

 

You're right...the NS needed just a couple more inches than the CTS engine bay would allow. The STS will have alittle more room. Room for the NS...and maybe room for a V12.

 

People have never bought Caddy's for performance, or not that I know of. When you fork over $50k it's for the name, quality, and luxury. THAT'S why you pay an extra $10k for the Caddy.

Two different spectrums man... the Caddy's at the luxury end, and the GTO's at the performance end...

 

Who says that the GTO would cost $40k?

The base CTS is $30,xxx ... the base GTO is more than that by a few grand... the GTO could end up being as much, or even more than the CTS-V (though I doubt it would be more...)

 

I don't see why things have to change that much from today. I'm expecting the Camaro to be rated below the base Corvette but put down similar HP numbers in real life. Where I think everyone is going wrong is they are underating the Corvette. I'm guessing because of the Mustang we will see something more along the lines of a 500hp Base, 550hp Z06 by the time 07 rolls around.

Anyway...

1. The Corvette will be top dog, in ratings and reality.

2. Other cars like the GTO and CTSv can be rated the same as the Corvette because they aren't sports cars. They will be slower from the start, beacuse they will be heavier and loaded to the gills. Actual power can be equal to base Vette/Camaro to lower than Camaro.

3. The Camaro will need to be rated lower than the Corvette and likely the GTO and CTSv because of #2. The Camaro is a sports car and can't intrude on the Vette. But, that doesn't mean it can't put down the same HP for real and be only slightly slower than the Vette because of weight.

Basicly, the Camaro can be rated under the GTO/CTSv but have more real power and be 500lbs lighter. What's the problem?

 

I'm just speculating. If the current GTO is $33K...a super duper GTO would cost more.

 

So what you're saying is....

No one will spend more for a Goat than a Camaro, unless the GTO has more performance.

But people will spend more for a CTSv than a GTO, even if it doesn't have more performance.

I see two different spectrums too. The GTO at the luxury end, the Camaro ( or it's top model , anyway), at the performance end.

 

Oh, absolutely... and, you'd thin kif it's just a simple engine swap with a few other goodies... $40k would be a good price... but I can see them charging $45-$50 for a Super-Goat... not that that is a good thing...

 

1. GTO is already slated for the Z06 based engine next year.
2. Corvette team has blocking ability in what Cadillac can or can't do and with which engine.
3. CTSv and GTO is apples to oranges. A luxury 4 door sedan running with BMWs & Mercs, vs what can best be described as a luxury GT. By the same argument one can ask why put Corvette engines in Camaros. Different market.
4. Of course GMPD will put together a Camaro (SS). We'll have to wait & see what it's going to be like, though.

I'll still lay money on the top Goat, though.

 

Actually, that's wrong.

CTSv was originally to have a blown V6. Bob Lutz changed that to the LS6 as one of his 1st changes for 2 reasons:

1. He wanted to go straight for the jugular in having the CTSv a top performer, much to Team Corvette's annoyance.

2. It was cheaper than the blown V6.

 

Yes. But that's the current genIII 400 hp-ish LS6...not the future 500 horse Z06 engine. The gen IV LS2 will have comparable output to the current LS6.

Quote:

2. Corvette team has blocking ability in what Cadillac can or can't do and with which engine.

Not as much as they used to.




Or another certain Camaro............

 

Really....Thanks for the correction! I guess I read some bad info. I figured it would have made sense since Caddy would want the edge in "high-tech DOHC" similar to why XLR has the Northstar.

 

My future GM performance predictions, I cover the entire spectrum:

‘07 CTS-v 500 hp LS7 for $60,000 ¼ mile in 12.10

‘07 C6 Z06 500 hp LS7 for $58,000 ¼ mile in 11.50

‘07 XLR 460 hp NS for $55,000 ¼ mile in 11.90

‘07 Corvette C6 405 hp LS2 for $50,000 ¼ mile in 12.30

‘07 Top GTO 450 hp LS7 for $45,000 ¼ mile in 12.50

‘07 Reg. GTO 405 hp LS2 for $36,000 ¼ mile in 12.90

‘07 Camaro Z28 450 hp LS7 for $34,000 ¼ mile in 12.40

‘07 Camaro SS 405 hp LS2 for $30,000 ¼ mile in 12.70

‘07 Top Solstice 270 hp blown 4 for $26,000 ¼ mile in 13.60

‘07 Base Camaro 280 hp V6 for $24,000 ¼ mile in 14.20

‘07 Cobalt SS 240 hp V6 for $23,000 ¼ mile in 14.50

‘07 Solstice 200 hp 4 for $22,000 ¼ mile in 14.10

‘07 Cobalt 200 hp 4 for $19,000 ¼ mile in 15.20

Would this make everyone happy? I think its pretty close in my eyes to perfect. It makes sense in 2007 dollars and performance.

I got three levels of V8 power with cost in mind. A turbo ectotech and a blown one. Two levels of the new 3.9L 60 degree V6 and a base ectotech.

What do ya think?

 

How?
Agreed. But, I don't want a Camaro that out performs (or performs with) Corvette. I want a Camaro that out performs Cobra. They can just make the Corvette even better (faster) IMO.

I know they won't sell. But I want one just the same.

Yes I would! I'd even go $50K if it got me what I really want.

I just don't like Pontiacs and I'll always prefer Camaros to Corvettes. (Its an image thing I guess ) If I didn't really care what brand it was, I'd just buy a GTO.

I love the security of just dropping my Camaro off at my local Chevy dealer and him being able to work on it without problems. Sure, I could have my current Camaro totally hotrodded out with aftermarket go-go goodies if I wanted to... but I don't. Instead I bought a fully loaded Z/28 with every option imagineable at the time. AND IT'S STILL DEAD STOCK TO THIS DAY.

I want to be able to go into the Chevy dealer in late 2006 (a guesstimate) and plop down a deposit on a brand new 2007 Camaro SS 40th Anniversary Edition, with all the bells and whistles in my favorite color. Then in 2016, I want to be able to back to the dealer and plop down a deposit on a brand new 2017 Camaro SS 50th Anniversary Edition. (It'll will be my retirement gift to myself. ) Somewhere in between I'll be trading my Tahoe in on a newer version as well. Not only am I brand loyal, but I'm dealer loyal too. As long as my Chevyman treats me and my Chevies well (currently numbering 5 total) he'll continue to get my business.

I've been 100% devoted to Chevrolet muscle for 26 years plus, and I've been a Camaro enthusiast for most of that time (that's a guess based on when I first started subscribing to Car Craft and Hot Rod). If horsepower and performance were all that mattered, then my choice would be easier. However for me its more important that horsepower and performance come in a nice package called "Camaro".

I just don't like Corvette as much as I love Camaro.

 

If the top Camaro can't beat out the top M*stang, don't even bother. If you have to buy a GTO to do that or if the GTO is gonna be noticably faster than a Camaro I'd have to once again question B.L. or whoever's decision making. A Z28 set in the market to beat the S/Ced F*rd is the way to go IMO. If F*rd can do things Chevrolet can do it better. During the musclecar years the Camaro was faster than the GTO and performance Chevrolets were usually faster than Pontiacs. (until the mid-later 70's) I'd actually like to see it be almost exactly how stars just put it.