OK. Time to break some news here (since it's been a slow week).
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Originally posted by ProudPony
Nice website! Interesting link too.
I never claimed the GT40 finished every race, dude. Who has?
You be interested in posting the same manufacturer's sheets for Ferrari? They had no DNF's did they? (PS - I'm no spring chicken myself
)
You wanna post how many Ferrari teams were in each race compared to Ford teams? You wanna post the development dollars Enzo put into his 250-GTO's, Test Rossa's? 250GT's? 275LM's? How about their track records? (Enzo didn't keep changing competitive designs just for fun you know.)
Funny how the 275LM Ferrari looks REMARKABLY like the earlier Ford GT40's, no?
Lastly - Isn't it funny how the same basic winning GT-40 lasted from '64 thru '71 in the same basic form? (PS - recall Ford pulled out of ALL RACING in '70/'71.) The car couldn't have been all bad to make it that far, could it?
And FWIW -
"What would have been the deciding race at Monza was canceled, giving Ferrari the World GT Championship by 84.6 points to Cobra's 78.3 points. The Ford-Ferrari war escalated even further in 1965, when Shelby mounted an all-out attack, led by redesigned Daytona Coupes, that resulted in Cobra winning the World GT Championship by 124.9 points to Ferraris 61.6 points. "
"In 1966, Ferrari introduced the 330P3. But Ford's all-out assault on Le Mans produced victory for Ford, with a 1-2-3 sweep by its GT-40 Mk. IIs. In 1967, the Ferrari prototype racer was upgraded to the model 330P4, but Ford again won Le Mans, with the GT-40 Mk. IV of Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt holding off to win over the Ferrari 330P4 of Mike Parkes and Ludovico Scarfiotti."
"Despite the World GT Championship victory of Shelby's Cobra and the four consecutive Le Mans victories of the Ford GT-40s, during the decade of the 1960s Ferrari still dominated sports car racing. The prancing horse won 23 World Sports Car Championship races and the championship itself in every year except 1966, 1968, and 1969, which were won by the Ford GT-40. "
125 vs 62 points in a championship run sounds like a smashing to me...
Compared to an 85 vs. 78 point victory the year before where the last race was called off...
And consider - Ford didn't get committed to the racing until '63, showing up to run hard in 64. So Ferrari had a 4-year gain over Ford in the "decade of the '60's". After Ford showed up though, things changed a bit, didn't they? Between '65 and '69, Ferrari didn't seem to do so well.
1fd, I don't want to go back to 1963 - no way. My point in bringing that whole subject up was that Ford has gunned for higher performers than Chevrolet in the past, and they won at it too. It was a different time and a different culture, but at least THEY DID IT. Ford beat the Italians and Europeans at their own game - when they chose to do so and committed themselves to it. These youger guys today that are unaware of that accomplishment seem to think of Ford as a maker of appliance-grade cars due to their lack of such committment to performance in the last 25 years. Let's not open up the whole can of worms but read the label instead - NASCAR Championships, FIA Championships, NHRA Championships, TransAm Championships - Ford had it all going on in the late 60's. I am being a bit childish and sentimental, but I'm d@mn-ready to see them do it again (for a change
), and with another sincere and committed Ford-family man at the top (just like it was before), I can see them making at good run at it. In this day and time, I want to see Ford compete against the imports as much as anything - in racing and in sales.
Get this straight - I'm not saying GM can't build a great, fast car - they most certainly can - and do so in the Vette. But DON'T THINK FORD CAN'T DO IT TOO.
Nice website! Interesting link too.
I never claimed the GT40 finished every race, dude. Who has?
You be interested in posting the same manufacturer's sheets for Ferrari? They had no DNF's did they? (PS - I'm no spring chicken myself
)You wanna post how many Ferrari teams were in each race compared to Ford teams? You wanna post the development dollars Enzo put into his 250-GTO's, Test Rossa's? 250GT's? 275LM's? How about their track records? (Enzo didn't keep changing competitive designs just for fun you know.)
Funny how the 275LM Ferrari looks REMARKABLY like the earlier Ford GT40's, no?
Lastly - Isn't it funny how the same basic winning GT-40 lasted from '64 thru '71 in the same basic form? (PS - recall Ford pulled out of ALL RACING in '70/'71.) The car couldn't have been all bad to make it that far, could it?
And FWIW -
"What would have been the deciding race at Monza was canceled, giving Ferrari the World GT Championship by 84.6 points to Cobra's 78.3 points. The Ford-Ferrari war escalated even further in 1965, when Shelby mounted an all-out attack, led by redesigned Daytona Coupes, that resulted in Cobra winning the World GT Championship by 124.9 points to Ferraris 61.6 points. "
"In 1966, Ferrari introduced the 330P3. But Ford's all-out assault on Le Mans produced victory for Ford, with a 1-2-3 sweep by its GT-40 Mk. IIs. In 1967, the Ferrari prototype racer was upgraded to the model 330P4, but Ford again won Le Mans, with the GT-40 Mk. IV of Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt holding off to win over the Ferrari 330P4 of Mike Parkes and Ludovico Scarfiotti."
"Despite the World GT Championship victory of Shelby's Cobra and the four consecutive Le Mans victories of the Ford GT-40s, during the decade of the 1960s Ferrari still dominated sports car racing. The prancing horse won 23 World Sports Car Championship races and the championship itself in every year except 1966, 1968, and 1969, which were won by the Ford GT-40. "
125 vs 62 points in a championship run sounds like a smashing to me...
Compared to an 85 vs. 78 point victory the year before where the last race was called off...
And consider - Ford didn't get committed to the racing until '63, showing up to run hard in 64. So Ferrari had a 4-year gain over Ford in the "decade of the '60's". After Ford showed up though, things changed a bit, didn't they? Between '65 and '69, Ferrari didn't seem to do so well.
1fd, I don't want to go back to 1963 - no way. My point in bringing that whole subject up was that Ford has gunned for higher performers than Chevrolet in the past, and they won at it too. It was a different time and a different culture, but at least THEY DID IT. Ford beat the Italians and Europeans at their own game - when they chose to do so and committed themselves to it. These youger guys today that are unaware of that accomplishment seem to think of Ford as a maker of appliance-grade cars due to their lack of such committment to performance in the last 25 years. Let's not open up the whole can of worms but read the label instead - NASCAR Championships, FIA Championships, NHRA Championships, TransAm Championships - Ford had it all going on in the late 60's. I am being a bit childish and sentimental, but I'm d@mn-ready to see them do it again (for a change
), and with another sincere and committed Ford-family man at the top (just like it was before), I can see them making at good run at it. In this day and time, I want to see Ford compete against the imports as much as anything - in racing and in sales.Get this straight - I'm not saying GM can't build a great, fast car - they most certainly can - and do so in the Vette. But DON'T THINK FORD CAN'T DO IT TOO.
You have to acknowledge Eric Broadley somewhere in the process.
Ford has powered winners in many motorsports as has GM.
Regarding Ferrari? I have utmost respect for Ferrari, for unlike many manufacturers who race to sell cars, Ferrari sold cars to afford to go racing. A different ethos. Not better, but different.
Last edited by 1fastdog; Nov 26, 2003 at 01:07 PM.
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