Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
04-28-2006, 10:40 AM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
That sounds much, much better to me and would make me pretty content. I still think 400+ hp is too much for the mildest available V8, but we've made as much noise about an entry level V8 as possible and have heard crickets in response, so I guess its time to give that up.
Surely GM understands this market enough to know they have to have a V8 model priced competitively with the GT if the car is going to succeed.
Surely GM understands this market enough to know they have to have a V8 model priced competitively with the GT if the car is going to succeed.
You also have to take into account actual transaction prices and what cars actually make it to the showroom. How many $26k Mustang GT's have you seen in a Ford showroom? Now how many $28.5-29k Mustang GT's have you seen in a showroom? That should answer your question about the pricing structure. GM is going to produce a competitive product when you consider the entire vehicle, from bumper to bumper.
You guys have to realize there is more to a car than 4 wheels and a v8!
I disagree with Charlie at this point about the base V6. I really don't think GM can put a HFV6 in a $21k Camaro. Can they put it in a $26k Camaro? I think so...
04-28-2006, 10:41 AM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
Surely GM understands this market enough to know they have to have a V8 model priced competitively with the GT if the car is going to succeed.
04-28-2006, 10:53 AM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
Between the last two posts it looks like I've been adequately admonished and shamed back into my dark corner, LOL.
04-28-2006, 11:02 AM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by IREngineer
Not shamed, coaxed like a child that lightly skinned his/her knee and acts as if they're being amputated
They should be flattered we care so much.
04-28-2006, 11:24 AM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
I 5th gen engine lineup, as I have come to understand it at this point in time, sounds great. I don't really find anything wrong with it at all. Heres to a 320hp v6, and a 400+hp base v8
04-28-2006, 12:04 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Is there a reason that two levels of V6 power can't be done with the same engine?
Just a thought.
But I think the lineup could be done like this....
250hp 3.6 HF V6 = Base V6 Camaro
310hp 5.3 AFM V8 = Optional Camaro RS
350hp 5.3 AFM V8 = Base Camaro SS
420hp 6.2 AFM V8 = Optional Camaro SS
500hp S/C 6.2 V8 = Base Camaro Z/28
Technically the two 6.2s would be different RPOs.
In my lineup, RS is an appearance package with an optional V8.
For the record, AFM = "Active Fuel Management", which is the new official term that replaced "Displacement on Demand".
Here's another thought... if a low-level V6 was dropped completely, and the base model Camaro had 275hp or more, could it deter potential base V6 buyers because of having too much power?
I love threads like this.
Just a thought.
But I think the lineup could be done like this....
250hp 3.6 HF V6 = Base V6 Camaro
310hp 5.3 AFM V8 = Optional Camaro RS
350hp 5.3 AFM V8 = Base Camaro SS
420hp 6.2 AFM V8 = Optional Camaro SS
500hp S/C 6.2 V8 = Base Camaro Z/28
Technically the two 6.2s would be different RPOs.
In my lineup, RS is an appearance package with an optional V8.
For the record, AFM = "Active Fuel Management", which is the new official term that replaced "Displacement on Demand".
Here's another thought... if a low-level V6 was dropped completely, and the base model Camaro had 275hp or more, could it deter potential base V6 buyers because of having too much power?
I love threads like this.
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04-28-2006, 12:06 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
A 320hp v8 is going to look ridiculous by the end of the decade. Hell, I think a 350hp one will too. I would rather see a 320hp v6.
04-28-2006, 01:29 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by guionM
There is a super Camaro being made. Thank the "super" Corvette for creating the vacancy by "raising the ceiling". Expect it to compete with the GT500 Mustang.... in more ways than one.
04-28-2006, 01:36 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
If the "base" v8 model (SS?) comes in near Mustang GT pricing territory, then I'll recind every one of my posts.
But that's not what it sounds like is happening here. It sounds like we'll have a base V6, a HFv6 priced against the GT, and an SS that is near GT500 pricing, with a Z28 priced at god-knows-what.
If that's the lineup,then its stupid. If what you are trying to say is that the HFV6 will be priced at today's GT price, that's a different issue. I'd then have to assume GT's pricetag will inflate and by Camaro's launch date the SS would hopefully be within a $1000 of a Mustang GT with the HFV6 model coming in closer to Mustang V6 pricing.
But that's not what it sounds like is happening here. It sounds like we'll have a base V6, a HFv6 priced against the GT, and an SS that is near GT500 pricing, with a Z28 priced at god-knows-what.
If that's the lineup,then its stupid. If what you are trying to say is that the HFV6 will be priced at today's GT price, that's a different issue. I'd then have to assume GT's pricetag will inflate and by Camaro's launch date the SS would hopefully be within a $1000 of a Mustang GT with the HFV6 model coming in closer to Mustang V6 pricing.
04-28-2006, 02:00 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by IREngineer
I disagree with Charlie at this point about the base V6. I really don't think GM can put a HFV6 in a $21k Camaro. Can they put it in a $26k Camaro? I think so...
We'll see what happens. The powertrain line-up has been changed around already, I wouldn't be surprised if it changes again...maybe multiple times.
04-28-2006, 02:24 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by jg95z28
You wouldn't be suggesting that there will be both a coupe and convertible version of the "super" Camaro, would you? If so... my prayers have just been answered.
04-28-2006, 03:22 PM
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Re: Mustang vs Camaro, Challenger vs GTO, & other latest info
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Alot depends.
First, whose to say a 2010 Mustang will still have a 4.6? The Hurricane motor is back on, you know. It's a 6.2L.
And Mustang isn't going to be using that boat anchor 4.0 V6 forever. The 3.5 Duratec will have 265 hp for '07, BTW.
So what I'm saying is, what we may consider a "hi-po" V6 today, may be the price of admission in 5 years....although perhaps, not necessarily 320 hp.
First, whose to say a 2010 Mustang will still have a 4.6? The Hurricane motor is back on, you know. It's a 6.2L.
And Mustang isn't going to be using that boat anchor 4.0 V6 forever. The 3.5 Duratec will have 265 hp for '07, BTW.
So what I'm saying is, what we may consider a "hi-po" V6 today, may be the price of admission in 5 years....although perhaps, not necessarily 320 hp.
It's quite clear that the next V6 Camaro cannot be an econobox. Across the board, it seems the trend is to give low-end models more oomph. Notice how the new Altima will be offering dual-exhaust and a six-speed with their four cylinder models. The consumer, especially the import-oriented consumer, is increasinly looking for performance throughout a vehicles lineup.
On that note, a base Camaro with a hi-po V6 might be capable of some serious conquest sales. The combination of killer style and a OHC might result in a lot of used Solara's, RSX Type S's and even G35 coupes on Chevy lots.