So it appears the same obnoxious flaw the 4th gens had will be repeated in the 5th gens. A V8 will cost more in a Camaro than it will in a Mustang. Game over

I know so many people that just want a V8 for the sound, torque, feel and the "real muscle cars have a V8" factor. I would rather have a 300hp V8 than a 320hp V6.

Oh well...apparently I'm not getting t-tops or a targa roof either, so maybe I'll end up in third gen land anyway I love the look of the 5th, but so far my two main selling points (open roof and cheap, 5.3-like V8) have been nixed. Oh well...I guess I can just keep accumulating old F bodies and enjoying DCX demos

 

On a final note, if people want to scream about gas prices as the reason why a mid level V6 makes more sense than an 8, go check the EPA ratings of a 5.3 GXP and a CTS, then tell me which engine makes more sense in a Camaro

People won't be pulled out of G35 coupes if the Camaro has an HF V6, but NOT a V8...that, to me, is an odd way to look at an American muscle car. If the car is good, its good. If the car has an 8, then that gets those that want a good car AND those who, by their own bias, WANT A V8.

I'm with Chris...I can't believe Scott & Co. don't get this concept...I've been screaming about this for 4 years, and if I had more time (I now work 60 hours a week, but damn is it fun as hell ), I'd scream some more!

 

I don't know. As I posted before, I'm very much in favor of making the V6 model more than a shoe-box. However, a mid-level V6 could over-complicate the lineup. Would people end up doing price comparisons between the V6 Camaro and the GT? Even if the Camaro is better, the V6 is not going to come out on top.

Also, in the Camaro's thirty-five years, there were two major gas crisises. Along with the Firebird and Mustang continued to sell very well with the its V8. The Camaro died during a time of ridiculously low gas prices, and it got 19/28 mpg. I Just don't buy that this gas crisis will suddenly make people shy away from it.

I'm all for simply making the base V6 better. Make it the 3.6, and allow it to be optioned out with everything you can get on the V8 cars. This is what Mustang has done with spectacular success. I simply fear that adding in that third distinct model will really confuse the lineup.

 

If the SS REALLY came in at $26k, in todays $$$$, the same as a Mustang GT, I'd shut the hell up.

But I know I'm not that lucky...I just know it.

 

Just a guess....

I'd say around $29K.

 

I'm with the V8 musclecar crowd. It has to be a low cost option in the base car.

Base/RS: V6 or little V8 (or you could let the V8 be an option in the RS only if separate)
SS: big V8
Z28: super V8

 

You know, I love how you have one closed door interview with Scott and now not only are you a member of the winky winky club but you have an attitude now too.

I think you need to dial back the ego just a tad.

You may disagree with the opinions here but to call those you disagree with "close minded" is in fact close minded yourself. One of the defining characteristics of THIS forum vs., say, the lounge, is that most members respect each others opinions.

People are passionate about this car. That is what you are seeing. Some of us have different ideas about what the car must have to be successful, and it is important enough to us that the car not flop that we are jumping up and down throwing tantrums to be heard.

Your post isn't terribly helpful and frankly its sort of the last straw IMO because I've seen you be sort of a jerk on more than one occasion now since your little talk with Scott.

Get off your high horse please....

 

I'd say you're right...which in today's dollars, is $4k higher than the Mustang GT with a V8.

Advantage = Mustang, no matter how much HP this "mid-level" V6 makes...

 

$24,065 for the Coupe and $24,265 for the sedan.

 

Thanks.

And that comes standard with the new 6 speed auto.

Could a $23,000, manual trans, 3.6, Camaro be viable?

 

I apologize if I’m coming off as arrogant….I’ve always been very blunt in my post on this forum, both before and after my talk with Scott. So if you don’t like my personality, there is not much I can do for you.

I don’t feel my post have changed much, I don’t even post as much….I spend most of my time on this site in the lounge BS’ing....When I do post here, it’s usually to point out or discredit bad info and not much to do with my opinion. Maybe that is why you think I’m on a high horse. I used to post a lot more opinion in here. I used to ramble a lot more, now my post are a bit shorter.

I offend a lot of people when I post my opinion, and well so do many others….We are all very passionate about this car. I’m not really in the winky club; I just got to go to one of their meetings.

I never claimed to be any sort of 5th gen expert or inside source….I’m a freaking college student who spend too much time on this site….Hell, to be honest I’ve gotten more info on this site over the years then I did sitting down with Scott for a few hours….I didn’t have to read in-between the lines as much though with Scott he too is a very blunt guy….But again….he didn’t say anything to me that people here didn’t already know….

Furthermore, I wrote 2 major papers and did a presentation on GM in my business classes this semester….I’ve been spending a lot of time researching GM…That is where a lot more of my GM info/understanding has come form recently too.

My interview with Scott focused on my school project…… I got some info on the 5th gen, but nothing more than the winky club guys here already know.

We talked about mgmt and his history with GM….

Again I may come off like an ******* but its because I generally only post when someone has it wrong…. I hate nothing more than to see false info on this site.


So let me elaborate my statement since I did not have the time to do so before.

Before I knew about the mid-level V6 I was more on the side of the fence where I did not want or see the point in a mid level car…..When I first heard about the mid level V6 I was puzzled and thought like many here are now….Why not just have a mid level V8?

I was guilty of the same thing I’ve been pointing out for over a year now and also in this thread.

This goes past the engine discussion we are having here. This entire car has to have a focus in 2009 terms not back in 1995….

My “close minded” comment has been repeated for months now……way before the Scott interview…. But at the same time with the tidbits of knowledge I have now I can relate to some of the real insiders wanting to just bang their head on their desk after reading some of the post in here. Many people here won’t allow themselves to be open-minded about this car. You can look back at my post from two years ago and see I’ve been open minded form having suicide doors to today’s hi-po V6.

Many people here talk about how this car must evolve to stay competitive, but since they grew up in the 80’s cant see past the third gen. It’s these same old ideas that are repeated over and over again that get on my nerves.

I will consider how people take what I say in the future as I type it…..You have to also see my point of view though….

However,I’m not going to retract my original statement , my opinion on this topic is just a valid and I think many people are too stuck in the past of what a Camaro was to what it could or should be today.

If you want to overlook me or ignore my post that’s your own loss, I feel I bring a valid addition to this site.

I'm off to class now....:blah:

 

Furthermore this entire topic gets under my skin….

The “mind thought” held by some here is completely reflecting to why GM is in their current situation.

The complacency to just do what’s been done before is ridicules

The only way to succeed in this industry is to bring out competitive and innovative products…

The same thing over and over again does not always work…

Why in Gods name do we need 3 V8s and only one V6?

That line up would focus only on the enthusiast, exactly repeating what the 4th gen did.

The 5th gen cannot be the 4thg gen…Its been a decade, the market is different now and still changing!

We must have a variety in the new Camaro. It must offer many options and features if it is to be successful.

I’ve been banging my head on my desk for months (years?) over some of the things that continue to get repeated here.

I just don’t understand why we can’t just all be open-minded………

An extra V6 that will pound the competition in performance while offering more to the customer

IS A GOOD THING!

Who would actually buy the lowest V8 here? Two people? GM has data showing that a mid-level (low level?) V8 won’t bring in the sales or profits….

Screw the high-horse comment! I have passion for this car and I know I’m right here.

The fact that some here just now think I “get it” because of my talk with Scott is just short of ridicules….

I’ve been reading this site for over 5 years nearly daily as well as followed the industry from many other media outlets…….

I don’t claim to be an expert, I never have…..

But to say I don’t “get it” or I just now “get it” from my talk with Scott is just plain dumb.

I can hold my own with anyone on this site.

This industry is my passion and I hope I may even be lucky enough to work in it one day.

I am cocky, thats right!

But ya know what? I’m damn passionate as well…

As far as the Scott interview is concerned I don’t view him as just a connection to the industry, after hanging out with him for a night I consider him a friend over anything else.

But I’m don’t ranting….its too early in the day to get my blood pressure up this high….

I need a cigarette, I think my head is about to explode…….

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but were you not an advocate of the midlevel 320-350hp v8 idea at few months ago, perhaps at the beginning of this year?

 

I have argued both sides….I sat on the fence for a long time……

You can go back and find post for me making an argument both ways….

If you want to fault me for anything, go ahead…I don’t have too much pride to say yes I used to view things one way and now I see it another way…

I think something can be learned here….I was open minded enough to look at another situation and say “hey that’s a better idea”

Bottom line,

for a while I thought the 5thg en had to have a mid-level V8 to succeed,

then I thought the investment would not bring the return in one,

yet now I think a hi-po V6 would fit the future market a lot better.

What is wrong with 2 V8s and 2 V6s? Many people are worried over nothing!

 

A few counter points:

1) The 4th Gen didn't offer 1 V6 and 3 V8s... it offered 1 V6 and 1 V8. The SS package offered some nice features over the Z28 package... but the engine was the same. Even if you want to count it as 2 V8's... it's still only 1 V6 and 2 V8's.

2) V8 engines are the hot thing right now. They are selling. It's been reported that V8 sales have been abosultely unaffcted by the current fuel pricing. They are what the buzz is about. Look at the Hemi's. Look at the LSx's, etc. Look at the buzz around the Impala SS with the V8... vs the total NON BUZZ of last years supercharged V6 Impala SS!!!

3) If this were not a Camaro (ie. muscle car), I might tend to agree a little more... but, again, this car is all about the V8. That and the 2 door configuration and RWD are probably the 3 most essential components to the DNA of this car.

4) Yes, the base model V6 is important... I don't think anyone will argue that, BUT.. the point is... I think what the people who say that an optional V8 is a better idea than an option V6 is that people would be more willing to pay to upgrade to an optional V8 than they would be to upgrade to a different V6 for roughly the same money.

5) Fuel Efficiency is a totally dead issue in this. The DOD 5.3 V8 in the Impala SS gets 1 MPG BETTER in boht city and highway driving than the 3.9 V6 in the Impala LTZ.

I don't think any of this is being "close minded" at all... IMO, it's a more realistic view of the car and it's segment.