No, I mean ONE V6 only. What if it were the BASE engine?

 

The key question to me is, how much of a premium to get in a V8 camaro vs. V8 mustang?

 

But, then wouldn't that leave us with the relatively unsuccessful 4th Gen-style engine lineup of:

Base V6 Model
V8 Model
Upper V8 model.

There may be more distinction between the two V8 models now, but that still leaves a hole in the lineup for those who just want a base car with a V8....

If the first V8 model starts in the high $20's to low $30's....and the super V8 is in GT500 pricing territory..... I don't think that is a good thing.

Have that $20k base Camaro with a V6.... and a check box on the order sheet to get a 5.3l, 300-310hp (LS4!) V8 for $800-$1200 or so.

I think it'd be a smash hit option. I would hope my estimated pricing is not too out of line.

 

And that is something being very carefully considered.

 

I am reading this as meaning the SS will now be the mass market V8 model and the Z28 will become a Z06-style model.

Its still a mistake to price a V6, regardless of how powerful, against the Mustang GT.

American's want V8s...and if given the choice between a V8 GT and a slightly more expensive V6, the Camaro will get its *** handed to it in the showrooms.

GM cannot be this stupid, Scott cannot be this stupid. I am in disbelief still that this kind of lineup is even being considered.

 

I have always been a big supporter of an RS model. Why not have it an LS4 5.3 with about 320 hp and DOD so you would get about 22/32 for milage. This would be good for people who want an upgraded engine, a V8, don't want to go crazy with hp and options and still want a distinct, great looking car with good gas milage. Pricing would have to be just below a Mustang GT and if that is not possible, then the idea might not work.

I too think an optional V6 is a waste. Just make the base V6 plenty powerful as a base model and maybe add a "performance" package on that model that might bump the hp a few ponies and also give suspention and cosmetic upgrades.

 

EXACTLY!!!!

 

Again, I agree completely. This would be a disaster.

It would mark the first time you couldn't buy a V8 camaro for under $30K. So much for bang-for the buck.

And you've just price a bunch of V8 loving potential younger buyers into Mustangs.

 

The mistake all of you guys are making is, you are comparing a future Camaro powertrain line up to the 2006 Mustang.

And as far as Mustang GT owners telling V6 Camaro owners, "I have a V8"....it'll be more like Camaro SS owners looking at Mustang GT owners (with a car bought at the same price point), and saying "why doesn't your V8 pack 400 horsies like mine does"?

 

AGREED AGREED AGREED.

As I've said before, these cars are not bought on logic, they are bought on passion. V8s personify passion in this market. V6s, while they have a loyal following, just aren't going to sell en masse to enthusiasts.

IMO GM is screwing this up big time. Unless somebody shows me empirical market data proving a HFV6 would legitimately compete with a GT for sales, I will remain unconvinced.

 

What's to consider? The right answer is "next to nothing".

If a V8 camaro costs significantly more to get into than V8 mustang, the car is doomed. I understand V6 cars will (should) prop up 2/3 of sales, but i think the bigger point is, people love cheap GM V8 pony cars.

Look at the GTO. It's based on a car that sells for over $40K in equivalent american money in Oz. Decontented slightly, and you still heard nothing but complaints about it being overpriced with a sticker of $32K.

Now you're going to tell me that 5th gen, which will need to have a a base car in the low 20s range, will somehow be so nice that peple will gladly pay ~30k for a cloth seat V8 car with no other lux options? That's ludicrous. GTO, cobra, mach 1 all prove there is not a big market for high priced pony cars. I don;t think there is a snowball's chance in hell of GM selling more than ~20K units of $30k+ V8 camaros, let alone 30k units. And using the historical ~ 2/3 ratio of V6::V8 sales, you're talking about 60k-90k total 5th gens a year, which seems well under the goal of 100-150k.

 

If the "base" v8 model (SS?) comes in near Mustang GT pricing territory, then I'll recind every one of my posts.

But that's not what it sounds like is happening here. It sounds like we'll have a base V6, a HFv6 priced against the GT, and an SS that is near GT500 pricing, with a Z28 priced at god-knows-what.

If that's the lineup,then its stupid. If what you are trying to say is that the HFV6 will be priced at today's GT price, that's a different issue. I'd then have to assume GT's pricetag will inflate and by Camaro's launch date the SS would hopefully be within a $1000 of a Mustang GT with the HFV6 model coming in closer to Mustang V6 pricing.

 

One thing I don't understand is why, if Chevrolet is supposed to be America's value leader, are we always talking about Camaro getting close to Mustang pricing.

Can for once in its lifetime Camaro actually be priced less than Mustang? I know I'm dreaming but in the end pricing sells cars.

 

Maybe drop the bottom V6 completely, and slide your model price scale down one notch, and that's how I see it shaping up.



There ya go.............

 

That sounds much, much better to me and would make me pretty content. I still think 400+ hp is too much for the mildest available V8, but we've made as much noise about an entry level V8 as possible and have heard crickets in response, so I guess its time to give that up.

Surely GM understands this market enough to know they have to have a V8 model priced competitively with the GT if the car is going to succeed.