I see...well all I can say about that is that I don't really give a rat's a$$ how Chevrolet displays the "Z28" today...I knew the car when it was the Z/28 and that's how I'll always know it.

 

If you owned a 2000 Z28, then you very much knew the car when it was Z28.

The change didn't just happen last week. It was Z28 for the entire life of the 4th gen, and for some time prior to that...

 

But I knew the Z/28 LONG before the one I owned in 2000...I remember the very first Camaro I saw brand new on the showroom floor in early 1967 and then the first Firebird I ever saw. I wasn't old enough to drive yet but those two cars had a great deal to do with deciding what was going to be the first car I ever owned (which ended up being a 1973 Formula 400).

 

I love my Camaro Z28 SS. Close to 800hp @ the flywheel. Not much of a fan of the transplants. The drive-by media hates Detroit. I get many strange looks form the transplant drivers on the road. But, I like it.

 

do you only read half of the whole post? Seams like your asking things that have already been put to rest on both sides. Right or wrong this is how I feel and this is exactly what you just asked..It has been asked by others along the way also so here. You can put a nice little spin on it as any way you want to see it but the thing is GM's global biz and N/A operations are run and controled here in the U.S. by U.S. people. GM is one of the major cogs in this country like Ford. Sure you can go "global" is not American, well then what makes a company American?? Like I stated in my last post before this one It is for this economy. Not asias advancement into a market that is blinded into thinking that its okay to buy from Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Kia. Sure it helps our economy in the SHORT run. But who does anything made by them benifit in the long run? Really who?? I know if I support GM in anything they do. Even buying a Camaro built in Canada I know it is helping our economy, the U.S. N/A and the way of life I enjoy living. I live in MA. and I can tell you I see alot of visitors from Canada every day. More so than from Japan. So who do I support? The economy of the U.S. GM is part of that economy. That is who I support. side note: The Camaro is being built for GM in Canada and IS NOT CLASIFIED AS AN IMPORT in DOT documents, read on your door tag. If I rmeber it says nothing about being imported here.. The GTO is an import if you want to get to brass tacks. The new building where the Camaro is being built. This facilitry is one of the best GM has, reguardless of what you think Robert. There is proof flying all around of the stature this facility has. Money wise. Sure its "cheaper" but is that the driving force? Not for timetable wise. Would we ,could wait till when 2010? 11? 12 for the new Camaro to be built here. who is going to wait for that factories cycle to run. Sure open up an abandoned plant. Millions in just start up. Not a thing to do when this cars got BILLIONS riding on it. This car is being built in Canada for the reason it got the car. The way they build them.

and here is my past arjainz post before the last one it speaks about what you asked.
I know it has been said many times. Do what you want it is a free country. Drive whatever you want, Work wherever or however you want. Scott keep pushing for GM and making some of the best cars out there no matter where they are from. Robert work for Nissan in any capacity you are if thats what makes you and your family happy. Proud jump all over this globe to make what you have here "yours". The thing is the term 50 years keeps popping up like a marker. 50 years ago I think if you had this conversation you would be put on the goverments communist list for some of these thoughts. 50 years ago this was not anything but fiction. But 50 years ago was FIFTY years ago.
We can not live in the past but live now and learn from the past. I just hope it doesnt take 50 years for this country to find out that we really screwed up.

 

You know, I have to agree with you. Seriously.

The intent behind MY debating is that the COMPANY is based offshore, regardless of where the car is made. I would prefer that people living in America buy cars that are made in America by American based companies, followed by them buying cars that are made elsewhere by companies that are based in America.

By claiming that the car is an import, just because the company making it is based offshore is indeed comfusing.
At this very instant, it seems obvious to me that we need to coin a new term that is suitable for such vehicles - as "import" is not accurate.
Let me be the first to make a proposal for us all to study...
I think we all agree that these cars are "domestically-assembled cars", right?
That's too long, so let's shorten the term by using the first 2 syllables only...
We now have "DOM-*** cars".
There you have it - I'm going to start calling vehicles that are assembled in the USA by companies based offshore domass cars.
I love it... it has a ring to it that fits, it's short, sweet, and descriptive.

Anybody else got something better, I'd love to hear it.

J/K around a little bit... I am relaxing tonight and needed a little levity.

 

wow thats funny... lightens the mood a bit..and I will use it.

 

It'a a pity the Asian countries didn't think the same as ordinary Americans as they'd be buying up those big American SUVs, if there were no trade barriers in place - they are great value for the $. But, no, ordinary Asians believe in buying local mainly because they do care about their industry's long term future!

Gotta love the freedom of choice, hey?

 

ohh how I have been saying that in almost every other post but you know that...The Japanse have pride in Japan and the products made by the companies that were built there. I cannot say the same for Americans, the proof is in the pudding.

 

I don’t think it’s a matter of just “pride”…people who understand the value of work; that there IS value in work apart from the paycheck do take pride in their work whether they are Americans or Japanese or any other nationality.

It's also true that it's becoming more and more difficult for the average American employee to take pride in his company because he knows that today, "his" company may at any moment send him an email to tell him that his job is being sent offshore to India; not because his company's truly needs to save the money but simply because they will do anything within the law to boost their bottom line.

However, if there is one major difference I’ve seen between many Americans today compared to many other cultures is that there is a large and growing segment of the American population who truly feel that they are “owed” something simply because they haven’t assumed room temperature.

It’s isn’t good enough that they have an opportunity to pursue success beyond most people’s comprehension; they think they should be paid six figures, have a $500K house, three cars in the driveway, and a 60” plasma TV simply because they are breathing…they truly believe that everybody else owes them something.

There are great places to live besides the U.S. and there are great people and cultures in many places…nevertheless, we so seldom realize that, even despite its problems, America IS the dream that most other people in the world have…we take totally for granted what most people can only dream about and few will ever see in their own society.

 

Well, Ive been to a few asian countries and its not just trade barriers and national pride. Their roads are quite small and big a** SUVs just wont fit. Parking space is at a premium as well as gas. Although Ive seen some Escalades and Expeditions, I kinda laugh whenever I see them trying to maneuver thru traffic and trying to fit in a cramped parking space. Its a question of practicality.

 

100% agree right there:

I think were watching to much MTV thinking were all superstars..rolling in caddy's with 24"'s. The mentality of the you owe me I see everyday.
One thing I think is this last few generations have not had to have to fight for the freedom we have. Case in point 9/11 was a wake up call but we just hit snooze on it. Imagine if we did that when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor?
Its a drastic comparison but what I am getting at is were to into ourselves as a nation. the me me me..before you worked hard earned the pay you got where you got. Now its like you state Robert..we owe them for what was handed down. Its alot of things Pride is one major thing. Something that many in this country do not know what it means. Since they are in thier own little world and thinking they are the best thing since sliced bread when they are not even worth the pam sprayed on the cooking sheet.

 

Err ermmm.... that was me being sarcastic!

My point was simply that Japanese would not buy anything American because they care about the long term future of their auto industry.

To take Mr Robert Nashvilles comments further... (I know this thread just won't die) imagine how many more jobs GM and Ford will provide to the Japanese landscape if the Japanese bought up American iron? Of course the market is so big so the new jobs created by the Americans would most probably mean that some locals would need to cut back... in theory!!!

But GM and Ford don't care about providing the Japanese with additional employment, it seems!

 

I think GMs cars specifically cater to the American Market. In asia, excepting SUVs, Daewoos are rebadged as GM to cater to them, which is not really good if GM wants to improve its image in Asia.

 

I think you're missing the point here... and I'm not sure if I'm giving you too much respect by responding to your posts but...

Trade barriers prevent GM, Ford competing EQUALLY in said Asian markets... which is why they have bought companies there....