Which ZL1 test was at -1200 DA?

 

Of course they are going to say that! Because it didn't beat the ZL1! The ZL1 spanked the Seca-R through the turns in their head to head a few months ago. Why would anyone think a heavier Mustang would do better? Because you know what the ring is? Its turns! almost 100 of them back to back!

The car is talking loud and clear. It says "I didn't beat the ZL1 at the Ring!".

Are you from Egypt? Because you are queen of denial.

-Geoff

 

Wow, so 80 more horsepower and 400 pounds less got another 0.1 seconds on the ZL1's time? All aboard the failboat! That is embarassing. That much more power and weight should be worth WAY more than that.

Also, I count 4-5 excuses in your post (depending on how you define launch control). Nothing shows your pride in those numbers like making 5 excuses while you preface them! Nice work!

-Geoff

 

You have to remember that the GT500 ran 11.81 on stock tires. The ZL1 that run 11.9 was on drag radials.

I would love to see these cars go side by side with slicks.


If anyone should be embarrassed it should be GM.

 

I tried a bunch of random dragstrip calculators and they all show the weight and horsepower discrepencies should be worth around 0.8 to 0.9 seconds.

Why would GM be embarassed? They beat this car on the toughest road course in the world, and with all the horsepower and weight advantage, one of the best 1/4 mile street car drivers on the planet can only best the ZL1 time by a tenth or two.

I am thrilled Evan Smith is getting some seat time. I would love to see how they both stack up with him driving on the same day and same track.

-Geoff

 

I'm all for a good round of internet bench racing but only with the correct information.

According to AutoBlog;
Obviosuly none of us were there and the video wasn't very conclusive as to what runs were done with drag radials and what claimed run was on stock tires. We have to take them at their word as we would take Ford at their word for the GT500.

 

Ford on damage control!? You are the one on damage control! You conveniently choose which post to pick on with your faulty logic. The 2013 Gt500 is a 11 car on its first public tests and traps 7 mph faster in hot weather. The ZL1 has been out for 2 months now and it took a special group of GM "engineers" to barely get into the 11's spending all day at the track with a butload of VHT and decreasing tire pressures. Have any owners got there cars into the 11's stock yet? LOL You with ring times, but the ring times pathetic

 

They weren't getting 1.6 60ft times, which is what the ZL1 did to run 11.93, on the stock Goodyears.

GM can lie all they want about it.

 

No, they didn't. The ZL1 beat the 2012 GT500 around the 'Ring, not the '13 (errr, according to Ford).

The '13 might not handle any better than the '12, but with far more power on tap for '13, the ZL1 would probably need to run a parking lot autocross to win this time around. Any track that has any hint of straightaway is going to be advantage Mustang, I'm afraid.

Carry on.

 

Who said anything about Ford being in damage control. I said they should be embarassed. They probably spent a million bucks taking that car to the Ring last week, and they have nothing to show for it. It is obvious that they delayed this press conference until they could get there. Why else would you take a production car back to the Ring? It was already shipping to customers! They aren't tuning it anymore, they went for times, and couldn't beat the ZL1.

And I am sorry, but Evan Smith driving the car anywhere is still awesome. If he can't improve the times, why would anyone else be able to? The guy is legendary.

So get over it, Al was right, the future cars need technology and horsepower. Ford just threw horsepower at the Mustang. It turned out pretty awesome, but a heavier car with less horsepower is holding it's own pretty well against it. Time to deal with reality.

-Geoff

 

I am sorry but, I am a firm believer that Ford would have released a Ring time if they beat the ZL1 last week. The lack of times from Ford is an admission of defeat at the Ring. Why would they bring a production car to the Ring? They were done tuning it! It is shipping to customers! They went to beat the ZL1 and failed. Why else would they be there?

And if you don't believe me look at past history. The day GM announced the ZL1, Ford announced the GT500 would be 650 HP. They totally wanted to crap on GM's Ring time but couldn't get it done. There is no other explanation.

-Geoff

 

Yeah, all we have is a Ford rep who claims the '13 beat the ZL1 on the 'Ring. Why didn't they give an official time? Dunno, but your theory is plausable. Wouldn't want to label the guy a liar though, let's wait and see if they release something.

I hate manufacturer 'press' racing anyway. Get out to the local drag strips and look at some everyman slips and see what's what. The stars are aligned against the ZL1 on the strip, and let's be honest, that's mostly what these communities care about.

 

The runs today, by the GT500, were all done with launch control. Even Evan Smiths. The ZL1's numbers, with launch control are about .5 slower than without.

'60 times today were all around 2.0.

Here is a post from C5 that has since been deleted.
When you can show me all of the performance numbers that Ford has released, like 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, slalom, etc, and they don't say what they got there, then you may or may not have something. However, when Ford hasn't even released a 0-60 time for the car, the absence of a "ring" time makes perfect sense.

However, continue to hang your hat on the only thing that you have left. It must be interesting to hate a car so much. As for why I have the audacity to post on this here Camaro forum............... well, this certainly looked like a GT500 thread in the Automotive News section. Maybe that is why.

 

This all sounds like a bunch of he-said, she-said BS.

So basically, Chevy claims 11.9s on street tires and Ford's rep claims a faster 'Ring time than the ZL1. But neither can be reliably confirmed by anyone. You gotta love it.

 

It really isn't he said she said on did GM use drag radials. Anyone that believes a stock ZL1 on the stock goodyear tires ran a 1.6 60ft time is an idiot.