I don't think the base V8 Camaro will be as heavy as the Challenger. In fact, signs are (mostly gleaned from this site) that the SS will be ~3900 lbs, which is ~200 lbs lighter than Challenger.

Personally, I LOVE the look of the Challenger, but the weight **** in me says no way to something that bloated.

Bob

 

I've been more concerned over the wait than the weight.

Bob

 

The weights of the Challenger are as follows:

SE 3720 lbs

R/T 4041 lbs

SRT-8 4170 lbs


Comparable Camaro models will be in the same ballpark, perhaps slightly less for the V8 cars. Of course, the Challenger is larger and seats five.

 

If the challenger is larger and seats five and the camaro will weigh in the same ballpark I am wondering if the chassis is made of pure lead.

 

No doubt Zeta is heavy but I also have no doubt that the Camaro V6 to SS or Z/28, will out-perform all of the Challenger models in every measurable performance category. Even MPG.
Although beating the Challenger seems like only a consolation prize.

 

Could be, courtesy of GM Powertrain.

But I know what you mean about the consolation prize.

 

Exactly.. thanks to the wonderful GM powertrain, the Camaro will be the fastest of them all... I wonder what it will lap in the ring.

 

I believe that the powertrains coming after this last set of Gen IV's, which will power the Camaro, will be VERY impressive. I just hope GM will still sell enough trucks and Corvettes to make the next smallblock viable in a future gen Camaro.

 

This is getting silly.

Quick check here. The Camaro SS, which will be the LS3 variant as I understand it, will be the closest in horsepower to the SRT-8 model, and it should come in about 250 pounds lighter, which will make it 150 pounds lighter than the R/T model, in spite of handily outpowering it. Measured weights I've read for the SRT-8 (2008 model) are 4140-4145. Maybe the 2009 model with a real limited slip diff will be 4170.

I know you wanted 3500, but what's with exaggerating the Zeta's weight?

Btw, the all-aluminum Jag XKR, which has 420hp, and thus is closest to the LS3 Camaro, weighs 3880 pounds. I know it's a luxury coupe filled with gadgets, but the body and chassis are all aluminum, and you know the Camaro will have better back seats. The steel Maserati that R&T compared it to weighs 4350 pounds.

 

Yeah, I'm not buying those either.

And those are 2009 weights, since the 2008 didn't have an SE or R/T.

 

We do?

 

If the Camaro has "better" (which I am taking to mean bigger or more roomy) back seats than a Jaguar, I will know the car has strayed too far from the formula.

 

Whenever I hear someone say that Camaro should have a big back seat, or that they're unconcerned about it's incredible weight, ( as long as they can't feel it and it gets great mpg - yeah, right), or that great handling is only required by some fringe element, I say to myself, now there's a guy who's not really into Camaros. JMHO.

 

While I don't disagree with you (and while I still question whether we know such a thing anyway), the XKR isn't exactly roomy in the back.

EDIT: I just looked it up, and an XKR has less head, leg, and shoulder room, by a couple inches each, than a 4th gen. My guess would be less hip room too, but Jaguar doesn't have that spec published on their website.

 

It doesn't matter... Its there to seat them in case of. its a 2+2. Want mroe room get a G8 and its comparable in weight... The camaro should have weighed less... Either shorting the platform or removing whatever unnecessary things. What GM can do... is make a "stripped" version of the car and maybe they can get away with the name and start calling it a camaro and not a cowmaro.

What happened to the Z06 01-04? that can be done with the camaro and save its Cowed ***. If with the same type of stuff they can strip the camaro 200-300lbs off, you bet I will be buying one instead of a used CTS-V 04-07. for crying out loud, the cts-v is about 3800lbs???? seats 4.. its 4 doors and its IRS! They could have used that same chassis for the camaro and made it a 2 door coupe.