All it took to fix it on the new cts-v was a thicker driveshaft. I don't think that will weigh 200lbs.

 

well... it will use the same zeta platform as the new impala doesn't it??????????? so we have an Impala Copue???? or a caprice Coupe as said above?

 

I can see, some here need a little remedial history training. Observe, Exhibit One:



A quote from it:

Actually - Chevy could re-use those words pretty much verbatim in upcoming months!

Here's another one -



Fact is - the Camaro has never been ashamed of its heft. Not then, not now. Its other attributes make it all worthwhile. Value, performance, style and utility for four made the Camaro a winner all those decades... and the same will be true with the 2010 edition

 

It has never had to be. Then again, it has never approached or exceeded 2 tons either.

 

You know, that ad makes me want to go out and buy a Camaro. First they've got a badass split bumper Z/28 pictured. Secondly, they call it a sportscar for four, essentially saying it's analogous to a Corvette with a back seat.

Unfortunately, that sure would be a big stretch on the 5th gen. It would be more like "A fullsized sedan for the four of you - but with two less doors and a torque gauge".

 

That 1st gen pictured still has a compromised back seat.You said "a good back seat" in your original post and a good backseat is one that offers no compromises in comfort imo. A good backseat is not what you'd find in a sports coupe like the camaro or mustang imo. Even the ad you posted hints at the limits of the camaro's backseats with the talk of little kids and family pets (all that it's comfortably suited for really).

There's a big difference between simply having backseats...and having good and roomy back seats. The camaro for the most part falls into the former imo. None suggested the camaro lose its relatively small backseats; what we suggested was that those that want comfort and room for the whole family maybe should look into something more appropriate like a sedan.

A camaro can also tow a small load, doesn't mean you should try to hitch and tow a 5,000lb trailer. Same with the backseat. It'll fit smaller individuals, but don't expect it to carry 2 or 3 adults in the back in relative comfort. That not its purpose.

 

Dunno, I guess it depends on what exactly you mean by 'approaching' two tons. This guy seems to have gotten pretty close, with his 1975 Camaro:

http://www.geocities.com/jf1975camaro454/weight.htm

Contrast this with the oh-so-much heavier new Camaro. Wait! We can't. Chevy HAS NOT PUBLISHED specs on the car

 

I'll tell you what concerns me more, GM's freaking survival.

I can't believe this silly weight argument is continuing. You believe GM customises a vehicle to suit your personal tastes, Z284ever?

 

"GM's freaking survival" depends largely on consumers buying large numbers of cars at a profit. If that "silly weight" keeps people from buying, (for whatever reason), is it really so silly?

Are you asking me if I believe GM should customize a vehicle to suit my personal tastes? It's up to them to run their business any way they see fit. Of course, it's up to me to spend my money as I see fit. Pretty simple equation.

 

Nailed!

 

It was more than that. There was something about unequal length half-shafts, and Charlie mentioned different bushings. We really don't know. It could be zero or 20 pounds or 150 pounds for all we know.

FWIW, I think the CTS is more of a porker relative to its competition than the Camaro is. In this case, the CTS has just about the same interior room as the G35, yet it's 350-400 pounds heavier, equipped more or less the same. About all you get for that is an extra couple of inches width. It's even a couple of hundred up on the 535i.

At least with the Camaro vs Mustang, you're getting more power and IRS for the 350-400 pounds in the Camaro.

It'll be interesting to see where the V6 Camaro weighs in....

 

Well I disagree. Camaro buyers have always known their back seat is going to be limited. It has always been a 'good' seat, for its known purposes and limitations. Only jaded and unrealistic consumers would expect otherwise. For its constraints (cost, vehicle size, performance, styling), it offers a lot of utility and can easily carry a couple small folks (like kids or teens, or a couple large dogs) in comfort. Anyone who often needs to carry two adults in the back shouldn't be buying a Camaro - it's not meant for them. That said, I believe a lot of buyers would welcome a little more room in the back. For me, I'd gladly have them boost the curb weight 100-200 lb, so my kids will continue to have plenty of legroom well into their teenage years.

I've provided proof that a usable back seat has been part of Camaro DNA for decades. Do you want to take a stab at providing proof to the contrary? Didn't think so.

 

I think the half shafts are unequal diameter, not length.

 

Fine. Part of that 'equation' too though, is moving on if a car doesn't meet your needs. What objective are you hoping to achieve, by continuing to harp on the new Camaro's [UNKNOWN] curb weight? Do you seriously think you're going to rally 50 other internet posters to charge GM Headquarters and convince GM brass to suddenly re-engineer the Camaro and lop off a bunch of curb weight?

I'd suggest, it's time to get on with your life. Stop carping and moaning about how everything Camaro has turned to doom and gloom. It's like that saying about America - Love it or Leave it!

Here's what I believe. The new Camaro is coming - soon. It's going to please its buyers far beyond their expectations. It's going to be the safest, quietest, best-handling, best-stopping, most-powerful, and most feature-packed Camaro ever made. And it's going to put a lot of cars much lighter than itself to shame

 

You are correct.