Lots of fixes, some weigh nothing, ie, firmer rear cradle bushings.

 

We were talking about the Challenger in that post...

 

It produces less torque, and it's no longer for sale. Will it meet 2010+ regulatory standards? What would it need to be brought into compliance.

To count, the car must be on sale concurrently with the Camaro.

 

I was thinking of the XJ for some reason.

 

Not in the last couple of pages of this thread. And not in the context of what he was replying to. Okay, if we're going to bring up other threads over the past few years, we could make this post 180 pages instead of 18.

It's all about the context. Perhaps Charlie made the same mistake as Z28wilson and confused the XJ with the XK, in which case the post does make some sense.

Not assuming the error, it looked like a total non sequitur.

 

Well you started out comparing the Camaro with the Challenger.

 

3900 to 4150?

 

I don't buy it. At least not yet.

I suppose we'll have to wait for official word on the Camaro, but from everything I've read, I think the SS will compare much more closely to the SRT8. The R/T would compare to a Camaro with the L76(?) engine out of the G8.

I look at the Camaro SS as being -- more or less -- a two door version of the G8 GXP, which I see as a direct competitor to the Charger SRT8.

The Z/28 will certainly be in a league above the SRT8 -- at least the 425hp 2009 version.

Some people have asked for a 'base V8' Camaro with a 4.8, 5.3, 6.0AFM, whatever. Such a car would be closer to the R/T Challenger.

 

Speaking only for me, and assuming those weights are accurate (mainly Camaro), then the Camaro's weight will indeed be shockingly close to Challenger. Far, far too close, IMHO.

Bob

 

Pretty amazing, right now, this poll has exactly 2/3 in the 'care about cost' camp and 1/3 "care about weight" camp... 100 respondents vs 50.

 

That's not exactly what I'd call a "humble" opinion. You are certainly entitled to it whatever you feel... but I couldn't disagree more strongly. Who are you, to say who is into Camaros or not? You're clearly not going to buy one and are roundly cynical about the new model... some could make the same claim about you for that matter. Not into them... indeed.

As for having a good back seat - I vote for having one. I have two kids to carry. I'm an ideal target market for the car. The Camaro is not meant to be a Porsche 911 or Ferrari Scaglietti... it's supposed to provide utility with performance - on a budget.

 

Just playing devils advocate ...The camaro while not a dedicated sports car like a Ferrari is by no means a "family" car either. I don't think it has ever pretended to be one. From my experience, It's a 2+2 with the back 2 seats being suited more for smaller/shorter individuals. It was never about roomy backseats and such. Doesn't mean they should completely neglect the back seats ( i think some attention should be given to back seat comfort), but lets not try and pretend this is an accord, camry, or impala either.

You make the rear seats larger to comfortably fit 2 or 3 adults and what you end up with is basically a 2 door sedan (pretty much what the challenger is given its sheer size). In that case, they might as well add 2 extra doors and market it as a real sedan.

Just my opinion of course.

 

I am Camaro Man. All will be judged by me.

 

You seem to have rearranged the word Camaro into the word Camry. Where'd you find the Y from anyways?

On a more serious note, considering the way I drive my Mustang now (aggressively) I'd be reckless to put small children in the backseat. To further complicate things I'd also be an idiot for buying a Mustang than using it like a Camry and more importantly driving it like a Camry. If I'm going to drive it like that then I don't need 300 horses...and maybe you don't either.

 

Okay. Maybe it's shocking to some.

In that case, the Camaro at 3900 will be shockingly close to a G37 coupe at 3750 (as tested by Road and Track in August '07 issue). To be fair, we don't know what the Camaro SSes will weigh in tested form. Maybe Chevy should make sure that the first evaluation cars are relative strippers -- cloth, standard stereo, no moonroof, etc.

In any case, it will be very interesting to see what comes down the pike now that every company out there has got weight reduction religion. I think there's a high likelihood of disappointment come 2012 or so. Just as with people, it's not easy (or we'd all be slim and trim!)