The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by ReducedFat
While Bob is being a total dick, so is everyone else in this thread.
The problem is, he's totally raping all you guys with good old fashioned experience and know-how. Sure the LT1 has good low end grunt, but as Bob has mentioned the regular driver is only under 3k once during a race; and actual racers are never under 3k.
Has he said that the LT1 doesn't have its own merits and is not fun to drive? Not even close. He merely stated that the LS1 will tear it a proverbial new one in any legitimate speed comparison.
You guys are even so heated from this argument that you've begun slamming the LS1's that you all undoubtedly look up to, just trying to scrape for something to prove Bob wrong with. He obviously can drive. He obviously knows his stuff. And if he's being a cocky ****, perhaps its because he and his car can back it up. Numbers don't lie and Cosby's got them in spades.
Let's just agree to disagree that each car has it's own merits, people are entitled to their own opinions, 0-3000rpm races don't matter, and horsepower is indeed a derivative function of torque---the latter of which not being the only thing necessary to win a drag race.
Keep the American V8's cooking, guys, and I have no problem with whatever company flag you're flying as long as you love your car and respect others.
The problem is, he's totally raping all you guys with good old fashioned experience and know-how. Sure the LT1 has good low end grunt, but as Bob has mentioned the regular driver is only under 3k once during a race; and actual racers are never under 3k.
Has he said that the LT1 doesn't have its own merits and is not fun to drive? Not even close. He merely stated that the LS1 will tear it a proverbial new one in any legitimate speed comparison.
You guys are even so heated from this argument that you've begun slamming the LS1's that you all undoubtedly look up to, just trying to scrape for something to prove Bob wrong with. He obviously can drive. He obviously knows his stuff. And if he's being a cocky ****, perhaps its because he and his car can back it up. Numbers don't lie and Cosby's got them in spades.
Let's just agree to disagree that each car has it's own merits, people are entitled to their own opinions, 0-3000rpm races don't matter, and horsepower is indeed a derivative function of torque---the latter of which not being the only thing necessary to win a drag race.
Keep the American V8's cooking, guys, and I have no problem with whatever company flag you're flying as long as you love your car and respect others.
"people are entitled to their own opinions, 0-3000rpm races don't matter, and horsepower is indeed a derivative function of torque---the latter of which not being the only thing necessary to win a drag race.
Keep the American V8's cooking, guys, and I have no problem with whatever company flag you're flying as long as you love your car and respect others."
Last edited by redcamaro; Aug 28, 2004 at 01:56 PM.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Steve Y
Drove dad's LT1 today, again. Those things are torque monster compared to the weak 4.6. .
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
As a matter of fact, I do. Any idea why? Want to hazard a guess? Care to look like an idiot again? Better think hard about that one before throwing the BS flag.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
I don't believe you. Further, I don't think you can look it up because I don't think it exists. Your "I'm not going to waste my time" line is nothing more than an excuse.
Prove me wrong, or prove to everybody what you are - an internet racer.
Prove me wrong, or prove to everybody what you are - an internet racer.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
LOL. At your dragstrip. All one of them? That's a big sampling you have there.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Don't know - I usually change the clutch whenever I break a tranny, whether it needs it or not. 
However, I went in excess of 30,000 miles on the original (before toasting my first T45 in the summer of 2001). I've never changed a clutch because it was worn. Rather, it makes sense to change it whenever the tranny is out for breakage.
Have fun with that one.
However, I went in excess of 30,000 miles on the original (before toasting my first T45 in the summer of 2001). I've never changed a clutch because it was worn. Rather, it makes sense to change it whenever the tranny is out for breakage. Have fun with that one.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Why not? Was it not you that said you could pay cash for a new Viper? Would you care for me to quote that? I'm calling your bluff - just like I did above. I challenge you to prove me wrong. And just like above, until you do, you're an internet racer. Nothing more, but perhaps something less (don't know, thankfully).
I have hardly anything to gain by proving you wrong and a lot to lose.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
01's and 99's are likely within a few lbs of each other, though the 01 has a 3650 tranny vice a T45, which is ~15 lbs lighter. There are likely other minor differences, but they are probably pretty close to the same.
Anyways, I never weighed my car empty. I did, however, weigh it at the track, with me in it, spare/jack, but very little gas. It was 3590 lbs in that state, so ya, 3430 is probably about right.
Ya. If its just test-n-tune, about 2-3 gallons of premium unleaded. For class, we have use a spec fuel, and I buy 5 gallons before qualifying, and use that on Sat and Sun of the event, leaving somewhere between 3 and 4 gallons when the weekend is over.
Usually w/o spare and jack (I'll get to that below). If you've seen my website, then you know that I have cloth, manual seats and a rear seat delete kit - all adding up towards that 305 lb weight savings you referenced above.
The 305 lb referenced above included a tubular K-member, which is illegal in the class I race in, and did not include the 6 pt moly rollbar that is now in the car. Installing the stock K-member back into the car adds 55 lbs. The rollbar adds back ~50 lbs more.
Oops #1.
My race class has a minimum weight of 3325 lbs. A smart racer always leaves a little bit of cushion, so I try to run with the car around 3340 lbs. To do this requires me to add ballast (you know what that is, I assume?). My ballast consists of an iron bar filled with lead. It weighs 75 lbs and is legally bolted in my trunk (and is very easily removed). I also sometimes carry my spare and jack, as all scales vary a little, and if I need the extra weight, that's a convenient way to legally add it (by legal, I am referring to tech inspection).
Oops #2.
And finally, to disappoint you completely, I do not weigh anywhere near 360 lbs. In fact, though I'm hardly skinny or thin, I come in at about half that, and even do an occasional bit of running....such as the Bay Bridge Marathon back in 2002 (that's 26.2 miles, BTW).
The final oops...for this time, anyways.
Anyways, I never weighed my car empty. I did, however, weigh it at the track, with me in it, spare/jack, but very little gas. It was 3590 lbs in that state, so ya, 3430 is probably about right.
Ya. If its just test-n-tune, about 2-3 gallons of premium unleaded. For class, we have use a spec fuel, and I buy 5 gallons before qualifying, and use that on Sat and Sun of the event, leaving somewhere between 3 and 4 gallons when the weekend is over.
Usually w/o spare and jack (I'll get to that below). If you've seen my website, then you know that I have cloth, manual seats and a rear seat delete kit - all adding up towards that 305 lb weight savings you referenced above.
The 305 lb referenced above included a tubular K-member, which is illegal in the class I race in, and did not include the 6 pt moly rollbar that is now in the car. Installing the stock K-member back into the car adds 55 lbs. The rollbar adds back ~50 lbs more.
Oops #1.
My race class has a minimum weight of 3325 lbs. A smart racer always leaves a little bit of cushion, so I try to run with the car around 3340 lbs. To do this requires me to add ballast (you know what that is, I assume?). My ballast consists of an iron bar filled with lead. It weighs 75 lbs and is legally bolted in my trunk (and is very easily removed). I also sometimes carry my spare and jack, as all scales vary a little, and if I need the extra weight, that's a convenient way to legally add it (by legal, I am referring to tech inspection).
Oops #2.
And finally, to disappoint you completely, I do not weigh anywhere near 360 lbs. In fact, though I'm hardly skinny or thin, I come in at about half that, and even do an occasional bit of running....such as the Bay Bridge Marathon back in 2002 (that's 26.2 miles, BTW).
The final oops...for this time, anyways.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by ReducedFat
While Bob is being a total dick, so is everyone else in this thread.
The problem is, he's totally raping all you guys with good old fashioned experience and know-how. Sure the LT1 has good low end grunt, but as Bob has mentioned the regular driver is only under 3k once during a race; and actual racers are never under 3k.
Has he said that the LT1 doesn't have its own merits and is not fun to drive? Not even close. He merely stated that the LS1 will tear it a proverbial new one in any legitimate speed comparison.
You guys are even so heated from this argument that you've begun slamming the LS1's that you all undoubtedly look up to, just trying to scrape for something to prove Bob wrong with. He obviously can drive. He obviously knows his stuff. And if he's being a cocky ****, perhaps its because he and his car can back it up. Numbers don't lie and Cosby's got them in spades.
Let's just agree to disagree that each car has it's own merits, people are entitled to their own opinions, 0-3000rpm races don't matter, and horsepower is indeed a derivative function of torque---the latter of which not being the only thing necessary to win a drag race.
Keep the American V8's cooking, guys, and I have no problem with whatever company flag you're flying as long as you love your car and respect others.
The problem is, he's totally raping all you guys with good old fashioned experience and know-how. Sure the LT1 has good low end grunt, but as Bob has mentioned the regular driver is only under 3k once during a race; and actual racers are never under 3k.
Has he said that the LT1 doesn't have its own merits and is not fun to drive? Not even close. He merely stated that the LS1 will tear it a proverbial new one in any legitimate speed comparison.
You guys are even so heated from this argument that you've begun slamming the LS1's that you all undoubtedly look up to, just trying to scrape for something to prove Bob wrong with. He obviously can drive. He obviously knows his stuff. And if he's being a cocky ****, perhaps its because he and his car can back it up. Numbers don't lie and Cosby's got them in spades.
Let's just agree to disagree that each car has it's own merits, people are entitled to their own opinions, 0-3000rpm races don't matter, and horsepower is indeed a derivative function of torque---the latter of which not being the only thing necessary to win a drag race.
Keep the American V8's cooking, guys, and I have no problem with whatever company flag you're flying as long as you love your car and respect others.
Last edited by Steve Y; Aug 28, 2004 at 05:29 PM.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by redcamaro
steve, that's maybe why i said you should've get rid of the gt, and i meant "Your" lt1 when you were driving your dad's lt1. also, i know the 350z won't make don't even half of the tq of an lt1, read my post again man, i said how sad it was for the lt1 guys to loose against one, even though your amazing tq below 3000rpm
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Aaahh, I wouldn't call it "total"....I edited out a few things before I hit the "submit" button last time. 
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Antz97ZNJ
thats no secret..still say the GTs have nothing on a good running 6spd stock for stock
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
And if I want to "feel" more torque, I'll simply add some gear.
The cheapest place in town that does a decent job charges $337 for labor only. Ford Racing gears are $200+, gear lube, friction modifier, and a speed correctors makes the total price about $750 with tax, ouch! Simply add some gear is right if you have 7.5 bills to throw at the car just to feel some torque. A lot more money to do it right with new axles, bearings, diff, welded axle tubes, and cover.With a bigger engine all this gear stuff could have been avoided. An LT1 with 3.27 gears is a torque animal compared to a 4.6 with 3.27 gears.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Anyways, I had the 99, not the new 04. NJ is a bit far to come just to run test-n-tune.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Steve Y
Excellent point except for the cost. The cheapest place in town that does a decent job charges $337 for labor only. Ford Racing gears are $200+, gear lube, friction modifier, and a speed correctors makes the total price about $750 with tax, ouch! Simply add some gear is right if you have 7.5 bills to throw at the car just to feel some torque. A lot more money to do it right with new axles, bearings, diff, welded axle tubes, and cover.
With a bigger engine all this gear stuff could have been avoided. An LT1 with 3.27 gears is a torque animal compared to a 4.6 with 3.27 gears.
The cheapest place in town that does a decent job charges $337 for labor only. Ford Racing gears are $200+, gear lube, friction modifier, and a speed correctors makes the total price about $750 with tax, ouch! Simply add some gear is right if you have 7.5 bills to throw at the car just to feel some torque. A lot more money to do it right with new axles, bearings, diff, welded axle tubes, and cover.With a bigger engine all this gear stuff could have been avoided. An LT1 with 3.27 gears is a torque animal compared to a 4.6 with 3.27 gears.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Steve Y
Save your stupid drama and just tell us why. Yep, i'm sure a stock Cobra with 4.56 gears gets better highway fuel economy than with stock 3.27 gears.
It was their '93 yellow project car Thunderchicken or something like that. Why don't you call GMHTP and ask them? I dare you!
Actually it is from 3 dragstrips since the LS1 came out.
A clutch should last 100,000+ miles before wearing out unless it is abused.
I need a scanner to scan the mutual fund statements. Then I would need a current appraisel of my home and my loan documents to prove how much equity I have in my home. Then I would need the titles to my cars. Like I would let the whole world see my SSN, home address, etc. on all those things, give me a break. Ok, Bob, I will go buy a scanner, get a $300 appraisel on my home and display all my personal information to the world just to prove to some non-believer on a message board. I have hardly anything to gain by proving you wrong and a lot to lose.
I have hardly anything to gain by proving you wrong and a lot to lose.
Tell it to lovescamaro....he'd likely believe it, and you could be his hero.
Your fault and oops on your part. You are the one that didn't tell us all these details on your website. What are we supposed to think?
"What is 'no', Alex".
As for thinking, you should try it sometime. If you're going to try and demean someone with a personal slam (ie...your assumption that I was way overweight), you best be sure you've got your data straight, because if you don't, you're going to look like a fool. Or in this case, a bigger fool.
The problem with Bob is his cockiness, arrogance and attitude, not his lack of knowledge and experience. Everybody is wrong from time to time, nobody knows everything. Why does Bob need to be so cocky and arrogant? He has a fast car and knows a lot. I'm not sure why?
As for being wrong...dirtly little secret #2...I'm wrong ALL THE TIME. But when I make these little posts, I "think" about it a little, and try to ensure what I type can be backed up and proven. Know what I mean, Vern?
Ooooohhh. Big man. Don't hold back or be shy Bob. Give us full strengt.
BTW....there's you some arrogance, just so you know what it really is.
Excellent point except for the cost. The cheapest place in town that does a decent job charges $337 for labor only. Ford Racing gears are $200+, gear lube, friction modifier, and a speed correctors makes the total price about $750 with tax, ouch! Simply add some gear is right if you have 7.5 bills to throw at the car just to feel some torque. A lot more money to do it right with new axles, bearings, diff, welded axle tubes, and cover.
With a bigger engine all this gear stuff could have been avoided. An LT1 with 3.27 gears is a torque animal compared to a 4.6 with 3.27 gears.
Next please.
Scott...please do drop by! I usually camp at the track. I'll have a black Expedition pulling a black open wheel trailer with a (you guessed it) black 99 Cobra sittin beside it.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Hey Steve...I did some work for ya.
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...Thunderchicken
Read the whole post. According to one, "Thunderchicken" went 13.54 @ 102 - most impressive to be sure. A "Damon" is supposed to have gone 13.52 - quite good indeed! Anyways, shall we do some math?
13.52 - 12.89 = .63. Do believe I said 6-8 tenths. .63 is > .4. 13.54 > 13.4x.
Does being right again make me more arrogant? How about stating such? Does being wrong make you more pissed off? Have you really only been to three dragstrips?
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...Thunderchicken
Read the whole post. According to one, "Thunderchicken" went 13.54 @ 102 - most impressive to be sure. A "Damon" is supposed to have gone 13.52 - quite good indeed! Anyways, shall we do some math?
13.52 - 12.89 = .63. Do believe I said 6-8 tenths. .63 is > .4. 13.54 > 13.4x.
Does being right again make me more arrogant? How about stating such? Does being wrong make you more pissed off? Have you really only been to three dragstrips?
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
[QUOTE=nuke61]That's easy to fix; all you need is a shorter 1st gear, then you have the boat pulling torque that you think is so much fun, and the top end that wins races at the strip.
Next time you're at a track or otherwise running through the 1/8th or 1/4 mile, keep track of how long your motor is below 3K rpms. It's not very long at all compared to the total time above 3K.[/QUOTE/]OK??????You dont make much sense.First of all,whos gonna pull a boat with a z28?secondly,the ls1 and lt1 use the same transmission and internal gearing.Yes top end wins races,but I like to see the look on peoples faces when I step on the gas from a stop in my lt1.gotta love low end,
Next time you're at a track or otherwise running through the 1/8th or 1/4 mile, keep track of how long your motor is below 3K rpms. It's not very long at all compared to the total time above 3K.[/QUOTE/]OK??????You dont make much sense.First of all,whos gonna pull a boat with a z28?secondly,the ls1 and lt1 use the same transmission and internal gearing.Yes top end wins races,but I like to see the look on peoples faces when I step on the gas from a stop in my lt1.gotta love low end,
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Scott...please do drop by! I usually camp at the track. I'll have a black Expedition pulling a black open wheel trailer with a (you guessed it) black 99 Cobra sittin beside it.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Hey bob,yes the ls1 did kill the camaro,but its demise was also caused by lack of advertising,dependability,price,tasteless styling to some(excluding me),and all those tsbs.