The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
Hey Bob,do you know you make no sense sometimes?By the way,some food for thought.What killed the camaro ls1 sales or ls1 sales?
Got sense?
The LS1 (or more correctly, the Gen III small block) still lives (got GTO? Got trucks? Got Vette?). It is the F-body that is dead.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Funny man! Unfortunately, my trailer pulls a race car. Do you have a trailer? I suspect not, as you've already told us how little power your GT has down low.
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So sad.
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Did I say that? Please, if I did, go quote me. But while you're looking for that quote, pay attention to what I did say.
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Bzzzzt. You don't understand HP, shippy, and I have no desire to own a Honda. Sorry.
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Oh, I get it! Now we're starting to morph from racing to cruising. And maybe all that extra torque can help with gas mileage. Hmmm...maybe not. Well, it sure would pull a trailer better.
You raced everywhere you went over 4500 rpms all the time right?
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
LOL. Ok. You win. I used to race to 20 mph in 1st gear, from idle, all the time!
Wow, that wasn't a predictable response, was it?
Funny man! Unfortunately, my trailer pulls a race car. Do you have a trailer? I suspect not, as you've already told us how little power your GT has down low.
So sad.
Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!
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Thanks.
Bzzzzt. You don't understand HP, shippy, and I have no desire to own a Honda. Sorry.
Bzzzzt. Try again, Buckwheat.
Tell you what, I'll try again. The LS1 is, on average, 6-8 tenths and 5-7 mph quicker than a similarly equipped LT1.
Its not my fault. Facts are facts.
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Oh, I get it! Now we're starting to morph from racing to cruising. And maybe all that extra torque can help with gas mileage. Hmmm...maybe not. Well, it sure would pull a trailer better.
Wow, that wasn't a predictable response, was it?
Funny man! Unfortunately, my trailer pulls a race car. Do you have a trailer? I suspect not, as you've already told us how little power your GT has down low.
So sad.
Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!
Did I say that? Please, if I did, go quote me. But while you're looking for that quote, pay attention to what I did say.
Thanks.
Bzzzzt. You don't understand HP, shippy, and I have no desire to own a Honda. Sorry.
Bzzzzt. Try again, Buckwheat.
Tell you what, I'll try again. The LS1 is, on average, 6-8 tenths and 5-7 mph quicker than a similarly equipped LT1.
Its not my fault. Facts are facts.
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Oh, I get it! Now we're starting to morph from racing to cruising. And maybe all that extra torque can help with gas mileage. Hmmm...maybe not. Well, it sure would pull a trailer better.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
I think it's ironic how a guy (Steve Y), who's owns a Mustangs, talks highly of the LT1, and then this weird debate erupts in this thread. Come on guys, we all love our cars, and every car is has it's strong points and it's weak points. Personally, I love the low end TQ of the LT1, which is why I bought it.
Take a deep breath, drink a few beers, and relax guys. We are all car enthusiasts.
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Take a deep breath, drink a few beers, and relax guys. We are all car enthusiasts.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Lets talk about the L98 vs. the LT1, and all stop picking on Bob for a moment. Anybody have bone stock automatic torque curves of both engines from a dynojet? Let's compare their torque curves as well.
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Before I commence this round, I'd just like to say thanks to the 2 or 3 folks that have provided me such great entertainment this evening.
Thanks.
And? So? It would lose horribly in any contest of speed.
Wrong again, shippy. I understand the differences, how they are mathematically inseperable, and have a fair idea of how to use them.
I suspect you look at a number and say "that's great!" or "that sucks!".
Admitting this to yourself is the first step towards a cure. Congratulations.
As far as you know, I'm sure.
Where do you pull this crap from? Of course it was my daily driver, and of course I "cruised" in it. And I somehow never missed that 20 lb/ft of torque @ 3000 rpm. If I did, I just moved my hand a bit and multiplied what I had.
"Golly Wally, wonder what he means by that?"
Absolutely. I outgrew street racing long ago. But if I did, I still would never get down there. Why should I? My car makes peak power @ 6100 rpm and I shift at 7000. 2.95 1st gear, 1.98 2nd gear, 1.33 3rd gear, 1.0 4th. Do the math.
Thanks.
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My GT probably has comparable low end torque to your '99 Cobra.
You implied that. You bow to the hp gods and dis torque.
I suspect you look at a number and say "that's great!" or "that sucks!".
Yep, I don't understand hp.
First thing you said all night that makes sense.
The '99 Cobra was your DAILY DRIVER, remember? But you never cruised in it right?
"Golly Wally, wonder what he means by that?"
You raced everywhere you went over 4500 rpms all the time right?
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
No the ls1 is not 6-8 tenths quicker.They are about 4-6 tenths quicker.average ls1 13.4 to 13.8 average lt1 13.8 to 14.4.
Lets talk about the L98 vs. the LT1, and all stop picking on Bob for a moment. Anybody have bone stock automatic torque curves of both engines from a dynojet? Let's compare their torque curves as well.
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You went down the wrong road with me.I memorize this stuff.best lt1 camaro sales:1994 camaro 124,121 camaros sold.worst:1993 camaro 45,293.best ls1 sales:1998 camaro 47,577.worst was around 20,000 for 02. 
.Yeah I think the ls1 sales did kill the camaro.Prove me wrong,but dont strain your brain or **** yourself.
.Yeah I think the ls1 sales did kill the camaro.Prove me wrong,but dont strain your brain or **** yourself.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Before I commence this round, I'd just like to say thanks to the 2 or 3 folks that have provided me such great entertainment this evening.
Thanks.
And? So? It would lose horribly in any contest of speed.
Wrong again, shippy. I understand the differences, how they are mathematically inseperable, and have a fair idea of how to use them.
I suspect you look at a number and say "that's great!" or "that sucks!".
Admitting this to yourself is the first step towards a cure. Congratulations.
As far as you know, I'm sure.
Where do you pull this crap from? Of course it was my daily driver, and of course I "cruised" in it. And I somehow never missed that 20 lb/ft of torque @ 3000 rpm. If I did, I just moved my hand a bit and multiplied what I had.
"Golly Wally, wonder what he means by that?"
Absolutely. I outgrew street racing long ago. But if I did, I still would never get down there. Why should I? My car makes peak power @ 6100 rpm and I shift at 7000. 2.95 1st gear, 1.98 2nd gear, 1.33 3rd gear, 1.0 4th. Do the math.
Thanks.
And? So? It would lose horribly in any contest of speed.
Wrong again, shippy. I understand the differences, how they are mathematically inseperable, and have a fair idea of how to use them.
I suspect you look at a number and say "that's great!" or "that sucks!".
Admitting this to yourself is the first step towards a cure. Congratulations.
As far as you know, I'm sure.
Where do you pull this crap from? Of course it was my daily driver, and of course I "cruised" in it. And I somehow never missed that 20 lb/ft of torque @ 3000 rpm. If I did, I just moved my hand a bit and multiplied what I had.
"Golly Wally, wonder what he means by that?"
Absolutely. I outgrew street racing long ago. But if I did, I still would never get down there. Why should I? My car makes peak power @ 6100 rpm and I shift at 7000. 2.95 1st gear, 1.98 2nd gear, 1.33 3rd gear, 1.0 4th. Do the math.
You are almighty, all knowing, and superior to every man and beast. We will never question you again, for fear of burning in Hell. 
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Believe what you want, youngin. If I had an LT1, I'd likely believe that too.
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Why? To see who would win the race from idle to 3000 rpm? Let me save you the time - the L98 probably would.
Just don't try to race an LT1 with one past 60 mph.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
He wont listen.Hes the almighty god of automotive knowledge. .I just proved him wrong on sales,and 1/4 mile time difference between the lt1 and the ls1.
.I just proved him wrong on sales,and 1/4 mile time difference between the lt1 and the ls1.
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Re: The LT1 is a torque monster compared to the weak a** 4.6.
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
You went down the wrong road with me.I memorize this stuff.best lt1 camaro sales:1994 camaro 124,121 camaros sold.worst:1993 camaro 45,293.best ls1 sales:1998 camaro 47,577.worst was around 20,000 for 02. .Yeah I think the ls1 sales did kill the camaro.Prove me wrong,but dont strain your brain or **** yourself.
.Yeah I think the ls1 sales did kill the camaro.Prove me wrong,but dont strain your brain or **** yourself.The F-body died with the LS1 as the powerplant. That is indisputable. If you're trying to say the F-body died because of the LS1, then you're a blithering fool. If you're trying to say that the F-body sold better when it had the LT1, then that is also indisputable. It doesn't mean the LS1 'killed' anything - then again, your first post about this was about as clear as mud, but I digress..
Originally Posted by Steve Y
Dr. Viagra, you are a God. No, you are The God. We will all bow down to you now. You are almighty, all knowing, and superior to every man and beast. We will never question you again, for fear of burning in Hell.
You are almighty, all knowing, and superior to every man and beast. We will never question you again, for fear of burning in Hell.
Originally Posted by Steve Y
Stock for stock, with average drivers the LT1 is about 4 tenths and 4 mph slower than the LS1.
Hence why the L98 is even more fun to drive around town than the LT1. Just don't try to race an LT1 with one past 60 mph.
Just don't try to race an LT1 with one past 60 mph.
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
He wont listen.Hes the almighty god of automotive knowledge. .I just proved him wrong on sales,and 1/4 mile time difference between the lt1 and the ls1.
Originally Posted by Steve Y
I know. His ego won't let him admit defeat to people half his age. Poor old man.
