Hey snorman,get a life and while your at it trying brushing up on your automotive knowledge a bit.You three guys think its Steve Y and me with the attitude,but you got it backwards.If anyone started the never ending 2 week long dispute it was Bob Cosby with him claming factory freaks dont exist.Of course Bobs never wrong so factory freaks cannot exist. .Then he starts back up with his b.s. on this thread about the ls1 supposively being superior in every aspect of performance,eventhough the lt1 makes more low end torque.

 

LOL. Hey loveboy, ain't no such thing as factory freaks. Prove me wrong.

The LS1 is superior to the LT1. Get over it. Using absolutes such as "every" is dangerous, and I didn't do it in this case. The LT1 makes slighly more torque at low rpm, which we have already determined (in horrendous detail) is good for the following:

1) Racing from idle to 3000 rpm
2) Pulling a trailer

If those are the things you judge "superior" from, then you might have half a leg to stand on. Otherwise, the powerplant in your car makes less power, weighs more, and is less efficient than the LSx engines.

Accept it. You'll feel better. Eventually.

Hey...quick question for you. As we've all stated, we know the LT1 makes a bit more low end torque. What about HP? Does it also make more low-end HP? Or does that even matter?

 

I still believe in factory freaks.A factory freak is a 12 second ls1 or a mid 13 lt1.Prove me wrong.I am already aware that a lt1 which makes more low end is not good for much other than pinning you back in your seat from a dead stop stab.I do agree that it has no benefit during an actual 1/4 mile drag race since most if not all of the 1320ft your above 3000rpms.Considering your launching above 3 grand of course.I done told you in a earlier post if I could afford it right now I would trade my lt1 for an ls1 in a second.However,I think the lt1 deserves more respect than what you have givin it.

 

Bologna. It's a great driver in great air at a great track making great runs.

There is no indisputable data to prove one or the other.

You might already be aware of it, but this is the first time you have stated it in a way that actually makes sense and isn't out and out wrong.

[qutoe]I do agree that it has no benefit during an actual 1/4 mile drag race since most if not all of the 1320ft your above 3000rpms.Considering your launching above 3 grand of course.[/quote]
See comment directly above this one. 2 for 2. Gotta be a record.

Don't remember your earlier post - perhaps I just missed it?

How do you know how much "respect" I give it? I've said more than once in this silly thread that I had nothing against the motor. I simply said the LS1 is better in virtually every respect - as it should be, time marches on.

PS...you didn't answer my question.

 

Thanks for the entertainment guys.

As far as the LT1/LS1 "debate" (I use that word loosely), there really is no comparison. I owned a LT1 and I loved that car. It ran some decent times for a cam-only LT1 and it was a blast to drive/mod.

However, stock for stock my SS ran 9 tenths and 8 mph faster than my LT1. The LT1 had 14k miles and the SS 22k miles, similar conditions, same driver. I have seen it over and over. Believe it or not, I ran a LS1 with a lid (otherwise stock) when my cammed LT1 was trapping 108-109, and the LS1 was pulling me at the end of the track. That was when I truly realized the superiority of LS1s stock for stock. There is no comparison.

Those with LT1s preaching about the low-end grunt of the LT1 truly are displaying the purest form of a confirmation bias. I was guilty of the same when I owned a stock LT1.

As far as those preaching that low-end grunt wins races...you couldn't be more wrong. However, I'm not going to go into that as Bob covered it thoroughly.