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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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I appreciate the clarification. I doubt this would change the outcome, however. I dont think its a stretch to assume that the car that has a solid 10 mph more of top speed will have better top end. So unless they are racing beyond 100mph (is that where the governer kicks in at?) the fact that the LT1 may have a governer is moot.


Originally Posted by Mikie
The LT1 just like the LS1 does infact have a top speed governor pending what tires came on it from the factory. If they came with Z rate tires then they did not have a limiter. Hypertechs power programmer and other devices allows you to change this.

Not trying to be an ***, just keeping the facts in line.
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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is there a way to find out if they came from the factory with z rated/ have a governor w/o heading to the freeway towards death? not trying to thread jack btw
I believe one has a 115 speedo versus the 150.
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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POINT1: The lt1 was governed at 155 and the GT is governed at 149. Regardless of either the race should never get to those speeds to determine a winner. Someone will have a lead by that point.

POINT2: Although the lt1 does have more torque than either the bullitt or GT, the graph you posted of the lt1 is absolutely wrong. There is no way a stock car is putting down 280rwhp. Even if it was rated at 300bhp and you lost only 18% your sitting at 246rwhp.

POINT3: I can't remember exactly but its in the VIN I don't remember what the code was though.

POINT4: The bullitt stock has a little better curve but it is close enough to the GT to still be a race. It's like Ford's version of the z28 vs. SS argument. People that have the stock 2v upgrade to the bullitt intake but NO intake on a 2v is going to net even 20rwhp by itself, fact. Its only a marginal difference in engine and suspension.
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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oh ok. is that the only way? ive personally never seen a 115 speedo in a z although i know they're out there
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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I believe it only came in the autos. Its not so much that they have a limiter but they run out of gear.

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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bullitt#2000
...But I am reasonably sure I would chew your 97 up like it was a 4 banger and I would even give you a few car lengths....
I really hope you weren't referring to my car. To put things into perspective for you, my injectors have to flow MORE than 2X what you have in your car to even give my engine enough fuel. Since your posts have made it quite clear that you know nothing about F-bodies (those are Camaros and Firebirds, FYI), I guess I can excuse the fact that the slight description in my sig didn't enlighten you enough.

You didn't just come here and post what a Bullitt was (on an old thread I might add), but you also said that a Bullitt would beat a specific car that everyone here knows is not true. Then you called out anyone in an SS or WS6.
Old Jun 22, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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Really? I am unaware of any a governor of 155 mph on an LT1 that came equiped with z-rated tires. They are drag limited at around 155-160 mph though. Where did you get this information from?


http://www.turbo-kits.com/images/sts...aro_dyno_2.jpg
Here is another dyno chart I found for a stock LT1 (ignore the curve for the turbo, obviously) Looks like a higher peak and a much broader torque curve than the Bullitt to me.


Originally Posted by Demon's Camaro
POINT1: The lt1 was governed at 155 and the GT is governed at 149. Regardless of either the race should never get to those speeds to determine a winner. Someone will have a lead by that point.

POINT2: Although the lt1 does have more torque than either the bullitt or GT, the graph you posted of the lt1 is absolutely wrong. There is no way a stock car is putting down 280rwhp. Even if it was rated at 300bhp and you lost only 18% your sitting at 246rwhp.

POINT3: I can't remember exactly but its in the VIN I don't remember what the code was though.

POINT4: The bullitt stock has a little better curve but it is close enough to the GT to still be a race. It's like Ford's version of the z28 vs. SS argument. People that have the stock 2v upgrade to the bullitt intake but NO intake on a 2v is going to net even 20rwhp by itself, fact. Its only a marginal difference in engine and suspension.
Old Jun 22, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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wow i didnt know a stock lt1 curve was so flat and broad. i thought i did nothing but decline more after it peaks at 2400. how are the mach 1's torque and horsepower curves?
Old Jun 22, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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A mach1 although I don't have a tq graph will beat a lt1 all day. They are right on par with the ls1 cars. Ask anyone over on ls1tech or svtperformance and they will concur.
Old Jun 22, 2007 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Demon's Camaro
A mach1 although I don't have a tq graph will beat a lt1 all day. They are right on par with the ls1 cars. Ask anyone over on ls1tech or svtperformance and they will concur.
The Mach1 was definitely more of a contender to the LS1 than the Bullitt was.
Old Jun 22, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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Bullitts are close to the LT1's. Its not just a GT. Bullitts are very fast through the slalom due to the engines are lower and further back than any other Stang.

I have a Mach 1

Mach's are low 13 second cars and Bullitt's are low 14 to high 13's

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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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Which is the exact same thing as a GT. The engine in the bullitt is exactly the same as the GT. There is no mounting difference as they use the same K-member, and motor mounts. The long block is identical. The differences on the engine are the underdrives and the intake. The car has springs that lower it 3/4" with different shocks aswell. But as for engine placement they are in the same spot.

If that is the case, with my sportlines I must have my engine inside the drivers compartment and scrapping the ground.
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987IROC350

Mach's are low 13 second cars and Bullitt's are low 14 to high 13's
Unless the Mach I is an auto, then it is not anywhere close to a low 13 second car, closer to high 13's.
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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I drove an auto Mach 1 before I bought my Z28 and I hvae to say my LT1 Z28 would walk that thing all day long
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by scott9050
Unless the Mach I is an auto, then it is not anywhere close to a low 13 second car, closer to high 13's.
Yea the auto Mach's are running mid 13's stock.

Here is a great article on all 3 Stangs.

And the Mach is the fastest

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea...son/index.html

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