2001 Mustang Bullitt vs. 1994 Z28?
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First of all notice he compared His SS to a Bullitt not a cobra 2nd the v6 camaro was rated at 200 hp (l36) and 205 (yb3) so please shut up about the v6 vs a GT Look a little harder. ford rated the bullitt at 265 in 2001 and came back in 2003 with a 280 rwhp, Had to justify the the extra 4 grand for the 2001 cobra. Thought I would inclued a few quotes about the side by side test of these 2 cars. the only thing the f-body is rated better at is a straight line.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
So the Camaro has the muscle, but the Mustang typically has more grace. So what happens when the road gets twisty? To find out, we took these cars to Willow Springs Raceway along with the other sport coupes. The Vegas betting line (you can bet on anything in Vegas, right?) favored the Mustang. Because of its lowered suspension, Tokico shocks and subframe connectors, the Bullitt is arguably the best handling Mustang for 2001. And yes, we're including the SVT Cobra
In city environments, more of the Camaro's faults are revealed. Outward visibility is poor due to a long dash and hood and small side mirrors. Camaro drivers will also encounter front seats that lack headrests or any real head support. Our editors ranked them as the least comfortable of all the cars' in the test. We also were not impressed with the Camaro's controls or the quality of its interior materials. Both the window switches and the optional steering wheel-mounted audio controls have a toy-like feel that makes them hard to operate, and the gray cloth on our test car had a depressingly cheap look to it.
In terms of refinement, the Mustang is clearly better than the Camaro. It's interior, while still no match against cars like the RSX or GTI, isn't so obviously low-grade like the Camaro's. The Bullitt trim certainly helped the Mustang in this regard, as it adds nice retro touches like charcoal-colored leather seats, a '60s-era font for the gauges, and metal highlights for the shifter, pedals and doorsills. It is also the better-looking of the two cars thanks to its subtle but effective Bullitt exterior trim. What minor complaints there were revolved around the awkward clutch and shifter and a fussy power driver seat that kept blowing its fuse.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
as for where do I live Augusta Ga but I don't race V6's or Z28's but pull next to me in a SS or a ws6 and lets see what happens.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
So the Camaro has the muscle, but the Mustang typically has more grace. So what happens when the road gets twisty? To find out, we took these cars to Willow Springs Raceway along with the other sport coupes. The Vegas betting line (you can bet on anything in Vegas, right?) favored the Mustang. Because of its lowered suspension, Tokico shocks and subframe connectors, the Bullitt is arguably the best handling Mustang for 2001. And yes, we're including the SVT Cobra
In city environments, more of the Camaro's faults are revealed. Outward visibility is poor due to a long dash and hood and small side mirrors. Camaro drivers will also encounter front seats that lack headrests or any real head support. Our editors ranked them as the least comfortable of all the cars' in the test. We also were not impressed with the Camaro's controls or the quality of its interior materials. Both the window switches and the optional steering wheel-mounted audio controls have a toy-like feel that makes them hard to operate, and the gray cloth on our test car had a depressingly cheap look to it.
In terms of refinement, the Mustang is clearly better than the Camaro. It's interior, while still no match against cars like the RSX or GTI, isn't so obviously low-grade like the Camaro's. The Bullitt trim certainly helped the Mustang in this regard, as it adds nice retro touches like charcoal-colored leather seats, a '60s-era font for the gauges, and metal highlights for the shifter, pedals and doorsills. It is also the better-looking of the two cars thanks to its subtle but effective Bullitt exterior trim. What minor complaints there were revolved around the awkward clutch and shifter and a fussy power driver seat that kept blowing its fuse.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
as for where do I live Augusta Ga but I don't race V6's or Z28's but pull next to me in a SS or a ws6 and lets see what happens.
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My brother has an 02 GT convertible. I cant get the thing to rev past 5600rpms to save my life. Maybe its the added weight of the convertible top, or the rotating mass from the 20s on it. I dont know. Its got a BBK intake and Flowmasters welded in. It moves okay for what it is. When he raced it last spring, it went a 16.48 at like 79mph backed up with a 16.46. 
This is a Two Valve GT here. He put a good driver in it and it went 14.91@94 (I think). Still way off pace for other GTs around here.
He was always saying how it would whoop my WH-1, back before I totalled it. Most owners around here are douchebags anyway. My T-Type went 12.95@107 (almost) with minor bolt-ons. It had an K&N, ported turbo/IC/plenum, RJC PowerPlate, 3" DP with dump, Hooker catback, and 42.5# injectors. The 12.95 was on bald GoodYears with one going flat.
Anyway, I'd rather have a LS1 over a Mustang anyday. But thats just me.
Just my .02, after DE tax.
P.S. Oh by the way, beware the whistling missile. Especially the white Firebirds built in '89.
This is a Two Valve GT here. He put a good driver in it and it went 14.91@94 (I think). Still way off pace for other GTs around here. He was always saying how it would whoop my WH-1, back before I totalled it. Most owners around here are douchebags anyway. My T-Type went 12.95@107 (almost) with minor bolt-ons. It had an K&N, ported turbo/IC/plenum, RJC PowerPlate, 3" DP with dump, Hooker catback, and 42.5# injectors. The 12.95 was on bald GoodYears with one going flat.
Anyway, I'd rather have a LS1 over a Mustang anyday. But thats just me.
Just my .02, after DE tax.
P.S. Oh by the way, beware the whistling missile. Especially the white Firebirds built in '89.
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beware any ss supercharged with 9 psi in general, oh and btw they would do even if not better on a track with upgraded suspension brakes etc.... mustangs came out earlier than camaros/firebirds, and alot people see are driven by chicks, a good factor for the high sales and u see alot of the newer stlye gt's cause the new camaros aren't out yet but one day they will be prowling the streets once again
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You'll win...but you may rape him if you've got the 3.23 gearing. I don't understand why Mustang drivers think there cars are faster then Z28s/SS/WS6s.
I've always said..Mustangs are a better everyday driver and are more social, but when it comes to performance the Camaro will ALWAYS take the cake
I've always said..Mustangs are a better everyday driver and are more social, but when it comes to performance the Camaro will ALWAYS take the cake
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First of all notice he compared His SS to a Bullitt not a cobra 2nd the v6 camaro was rated at 200 hp (l36) and 205 (yb3) so please shut up about the v6 vs a GT Look a little harder. ford rated the bullitt at 265 in 2001 and came back in 2003 with a 280 rwhp, Had to justify the the extra 4 grand for the 2001 cobra. Thought I would inclued a few quotes about the side by side test of these 2 cars. the only thing the f-body is rated better at is a straight line.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
So the Camaro has the muscle, but the Mustang typically has more grace. So what happens when the road gets twisty? To find out, we took these cars to Willow Springs Raceway along with the other sport coupes. The Vegas betting line (you can bet on anything in Vegas, right?) favored the Mustang. Because of its lowered suspension, Tokico shocks and subframe connectors, the Bullitt is arguably the best handling Mustang for 2001. And yes, we're including the SVT Cobra
In city environments, more of the Camaro's faults are revealed. Outward visibility is poor due to a long dash and hood and small side mirrors. Camaro drivers will also encounter front seats that lack headrests or any real head support. Our editors ranked them as the least comfortable of all the cars' in the test. We also were not impressed with the Camaro's controls or the quality of its interior materials. Both the window switches and the optional steering wheel-mounted audio controls have a toy-like feel that makes them hard to operate, and the gray cloth on our test car had a depressingly cheap look to it.
In terms of refinement, the Mustang is clearly better than the Camaro. It's interior, while still no match against cars like the RSX or GTI, isn't so obviously low-grade like the Camaro's. The Bullitt trim certainly helped the Mustang in this regard, as it adds nice retro touches like charcoal-colored leather seats, a '60s-era font for the gauges, and metal highlights for the shifter, pedals and doorsills. It is also the better-looking of the two cars thanks to its subtle but effective Bullitt exterior trim. What minor complaints there were revolved around the awkward clutch and shifter and a fussy power driver seat that kept blowing its fuse.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
as for where do I live Augusta Ga but I don't race V6's or Z28's but pull next to me in a SS or a ws6 and lets see what happens.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
So the Camaro has the muscle, but the Mustang typically has more grace. So what happens when the road gets twisty? To find out, we took these cars to Willow Springs Raceway along with the other sport coupes. The Vegas betting line (you can bet on anything in Vegas, right?) favored the Mustang. Because of its lowered suspension, Tokico shocks and subframe connectors, the Bullitt is arguably the best handling Mustang for 2001. And yes, we're including the SVT Cobra
In city environments, more of the Camaro's faults are revealed. Outward visibility is poor due to a long dash and hood and small side mirrors. Camaro drivers will also encounter front seats that lack headrests or any real head support. Our editors ranked them as the least comfortable of all the cars' in the test. We also were not impressed with the Camaro's controls or the quality of its interior materials. Both the window switches and the optional steering wheel-mounted audio controls have a toy-like feel that makes them hard to operate, and the gray cloth on our test car had a depressingly cheap look to it.
In terms of refinement, the Mustang is clearly better than the Camaro. It's interior, while still no match against cars like the RSX or GTI, isn't so obviously low-grade like the Camaro's. The Bullitt trim certainly helped the Mustang in this regard, as it adds nice retro touches like charcoal-colored leather seats, a '60s-era font for the gauges, and metal highlights for the shifter, pedals and doorsills. It is also the better-looking of the two cars thanks to its subtle but effective Bullitt exterior trim. What minor complaints there were revolved around the awkward clutch and shifter and a fussy power driver seat that kept blowing its fuse.
Looking at the final rankings reveals a landslide victory for the Mustang Bullitt GT. Despite being slower and more expensive (two adjectives that no sport coupe will ever want to be associated with), our editors unanimously picked the Mustang over the Camaro for what they would personally buy and what they would recommend to consumers. The Chevy is fun to punt around in for a few days, and Lord knows it's fast. But it's too unwieldy, too boisterous and not something you want to make a long-term commitment to. Wondering why the Mustang outsells the Camaro (and its Firebird sibling) almost three to one? Now you know.
as for where do I live Augusta Ga but I don't race V6's or Z28's but pull next to me in a SS or a ws6 and lets see what happens.
Wow, what a puss-out response to quote a magazine articles comparison test. This issue is something that can have pages written about it to rip your positions to shreds. I'm willing to bet that on the track that the SS was not equipped with one of the SLP upgraded suspension systems. Ever wonder why racing Mustang guys convert their rear suspensions to one similar to an F-Body? The Camaro/Firebird was intended for more performance-oriented buyers, not foo-foo posers.
Your argument was that the Bullitt Mustang was faster than the 2001 Camaro, not that is was more livable, or that some magazine reviewers preferred them.
Also, don't be so picky about who you race. An SS has almost no performance advantage over a Z28. This just shows your ignorance even more. Obviously, you're going to beat any car that's stock anyway. However, with your MODERATE build, I wouldn't invite too much attention as there are a ton of people on this board that would roast your car.
Too bad you're not in my area.
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Wow, what a puss-out response to quote a magazine articles comparison test. This issue is something that can have pages written about it to rip it to shreds. I'm willing to bet that on the track that the SS was not equipped with one of the SLP upgraded suspension systems. Ever wonder why racing Mustang guys convert their rear suspensions to one similar to an F-Body? The Camaro/Firebird was intended for more performance-oriented buyers, not foo-foo posers.
You're argument was that the Bullitt Mustang was faster than the 2001 Camaro, not that is was more livable, or that some magazine reviewers preferred them.
Also, don't be so picky about who you race. An SS has almost no performance advantage over a Z28. This just shows your ignorance even more. Obviously, you're going to beat any car that's stock anyway. However, with your MODERATE build, I wouldn't invite too much attention as there are a ton of people on this board that would roast your car.
Too bad you're not in my area.
You're argument was that the Bullitt Mustang was faster than the 2001 Camaro, not that is was more livable, or that some magazine reviewers preferred them.
Also, don't be so picky about who you race. An SS has almost no performance advantage over a Z28. This just shows your ignorance even more. Obviously, you're going to beat any car that's stock anyway. However, with your MODERATE build, I wouldn't invite too much attention as there are a ton of people on this board that would roast your car.
Too bad you're not in my area.
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Hey all u LT1 lovers, thought I would help you out on your questions about the BULLITT. It seems most of you are a lil cocky about the fact your cars walk away(LOL) from a GT. first and foremost you need to understand that Ford underrated the HP of the bullitt as not to interfear with their cobra sales. 2nd, the bullitt makes its peak HP & tourqe at 2200 rpm instead of 4700 like the GT. So out of the hole it will pull away from a 94 LT1, and with a good driver you will NEVER catch it. 3rd for the guy who said in the long run the LT1 would leave it, the Bullitt has no factory gov on it so at 150 mph it is still pulling so top end you might no ever catch it. AS for the the car being a sligthly upgraded GT lets look at that. All bullitts started as a convertable(stronger subframe) it has different struts, shocks, and full length subframe connecters(it was set up as a road race car) different trannie T-3650 instead of the t-45 and a 327 gear(great for top end)
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Try racing this v6 bullitt#2000.http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/tim3800/?
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your right it is a moderate build but its way quicker than a SS and last week I played with a WS6 before I "walked away" I even braked to let him catch up B4 walking away again. I guess you guys missed the 1st post to this thread. `what is a Bullitt? he had never heard of it i clued him and I guess a few of you in. All I got from that was a lot of smacking talking about how SS and WS6's walk away from GT's. Noticed none of you compare your SS or WS6 to the 2003 Cobra or the Shelby. As for guys with F-bodys on this forum that would outrun my car I'm sure they are out there. Never once did I talk smack about dusting all of them. But I am reasonably sure I would chew your 97 up like it was a 4 banger and I would even give you a few car lengths. I didn't post here to get in a pissing match about which is a better car. My 1st car was a 75 camaro with a 327, muncie rockcrucher trans and a 411 and I loved that car, as I did my 95 Z vert. Ford has put money into the developement of the Stang while chevy quite in 94, (untill the 2009) Right now I am waiting to see what the 2008 Bullitt price is, because I am torn between it and a 2009 camaro might even wait on the 2009 BOSS. anyway go back to the 1st post in this thread. If you really pay attention and do your research, that 94 will probably not outrun a bullitt(if he can drive) The bullitt has a much wider torque band than the Z (and a GT) it's lighter and not governed. should be a good race.. Did he ever? I would say yes and lost because there is no post saying I dusted him. yeah too bad I'm not in your area. we could toke down, as for racing you I have nothing to prove, sounds like you do
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I quote uou "Also, don't be so picky about who you race. An SS has almost no performance advantage over a Z28. This just shows your ignorance even more. Obviously, you're going to beat any car that's stock anyway. However, with your MODERATE build, I wouldn't invite too much attention as there are a ton of people on this board that would roast your car"
THIS SHOWS MY IGNORANCE right
THIS SHOWS MY IGNORANCE right
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The bullit is lighter, but it does not have a wider torque band than a LT1 with a litre advantage in displacement.
stock bullitt dyno chart
http://www.dragtimes.com/2001-Ford-M...phs-10366.html
250 ft lbs between 3k - 5k rpm
stock LT1 dyno chart
http://www.ws6.com/mod-2.htm
300 ft lbs between 2k - nearly 5k rpm
Since when did Z28 LT1's come equiped with a governer and how does this impact a race between the two? While you can debate et's between a gt/bullit vs a LT1, the top end advantage of a LT1 is indisputable. 99-04 GT's hit mid 140 mph top speed, while a LT1 is good for mid/upper 150.
stock bullitt dyno chart
http://www.dragtimes.com/2001-Ford-M...phs-10366.html
250 ft lbs between 3k - 5k rpm
stock LT1 dyno chart
http://www.ws6.com/mod-2.htm
300 ft lbs between 2k - nearly 5k rpm
Since when did Z28 LT1's come equiped with a governer and how does this impact a race between the two? While you can debate et's between a gt/bullit vs a LT1, the top end advantage of a LT1 is indisputable. 99-04 GT's hit mid 140 mph top speed, while a LT1 is good for mid/upper 150.
The bullitt has a much wider torque band than the Z (and a GT) it's lighter and not governed. should be a good race.. Did he ever? I would say yes and lost because there is no post saying I dusted him. yeah too bad I'm not in your area. we could toke down, as for racing you I have nothing to prove, sounds like you do
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Since when did Z28 LT1's come equiped with a governer and how does this impact a race between the two? While you can debate et's between a gt/bullit vs a LT1, the top end advantage of a LT1 is indisputable. 99-04 GT's hit mid 140 mph top speed, while a LT1 is good for mid/upper 150.
Not trying to be an ***, just keeping the facts in line.