02 Trans AM vs. 350Z
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I wouldn't call it disbelief really; it's just that even if you look around this site you'll see the Average Joe isn't going to get those results from those mods on an LT1. A driver can affect the ET but the trap is all engine.
Buzz is doing 107 mph with basically an intake, catback, and tune. Is there really 70 more hp in just those mods? If there is, why isn't everyone else with the same mods going that fast? There are a lot of people who have been modding a long time without doing that well with the basic mods.
He had drag radials so the 13.0 is entirely plausible with the given mph; it's just how that trap was reached that's harder to grasp.
Buzz is doing 107 mph with basically an intake, catback, and tune. Is there really 70 more hp in just those mods? If there is, why isn't everyone else with the same mods going that fast? There are a lot of people who have been modding a long time without doing that well with the basic mods.
He had drag radials so the 13.0 is entirely plausible with the given mph; it's just how that trap was reached that's harder to grasp.
Yea believe me the 107-108 trap surprised the hell out of me. I have a feeling part of it was the perfect weather that day. I wish I would have gotten the DA and all that. Normal trap speeds for the car are in the 104-105 range which makes a lot more sense.
I don't know what the deal was that day, the car was just running perfect. And its not like only one run had that trap speed. All day it was 106-108.
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It's not that I don't believe you, I just think there's more in your car than what you think. Ever had it dyno'd? 107 puts you at or over 300 rwhp. You just don't get 300 rwhp from a catback and tune. Either your not hip to all your cars mods or your lying. I'm not trying to be rude, but numbers don't lie. People do.
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I wouldv'e been very interested to see a dyno. Your times are the fastest on this board for the mods. Fastest I've ever seen for sure.
The thing is why wouldn't my car always be trapping high if I had more mods than I thought??? You are right, numbers don't lie....And they are all printed on my timeslip. I really wish I had a chance to get it dynoed before the headgasket went. Like I said before, I chalk it up to the perfect weather that day. The car ran 13.2s at 104-105 consistently after that day.
Last edited by yellavette; Feb 17, 2007 at 07:18 PM.
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Of course I'm accusational. And not just because this guys running 5 mph faster than he should be, but because you guys are so brand loyal that not only don't you question his numbers, you back them up!! If a 350 claimed to be running 107 mph with 2 minor bolt ons everyone here would be waving the b.s flag even though it has more hp and less weight than the LT1. But since these crazy numbers are coming out of a Camaro no one raises an eyebrow!
You and I have been here about the same length of time (I joined mid 98) so no disrespect, but your numbers are radically high as well. I've been running and building LT1's since 93, and I've never seen anyone run 111 mph with just gears and some bolt ons at stock weight. No tune? No cam? No weight reduction? Your numbers are just as extraordinary as buzz's IMO.
I challenge you or Buzz to find someone else who runs as fast as y'all with the same mods.
You and I have been here about the same length of time (I joined mid 98) so no disrespect, but your numbers are radically high as well. I've been running and building LT1's since 93, and I've never seen anyone run 111 mph with just gears and some bolt ons at stock weight. No tune? No cam? No weight reduction? Your numbers are just as extraordinary as buzz's IMO.
I challenge you or Buzz to find someone else who runs as fast as y'all with the same mods.
Look at my mod list and what I run and you can understand why I believe his times are realistic. By the math above I should be 110RWHP over stock because I trap almost 111. Do you really believe that?
My MPH on the bone stock runs was usually between 100 and 101, which is what most bone stock 350Z's trap, only 10 years later...
Like I said, his times AND MPH, while not the norm, are far from unbelievable. Keep an open mind. You come across as accusational when you keep at the guy for running a good time and MPH. I'm not the one that is having trouble being objective.
My MPH on the bone stock runs was usually between 100 and 101, which is what most bone stock 350Z's trap, only 10 years later...
Like I said, his times AND MPH, while not the norm, are far from unbelievable. Keep an open mind. You come across as accusational when you keep at the guy for running a good time and MPH. I'm not the one that is having trouble being objective.
Last edited by yellavette; Feb 17, 2007 at 07:17 PM.
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Of course I'm accusational. And not just because this guys running 5 mph faster than he should be, but because you guys are so brand loyal that not only don't you question his numbers, you back them up!! If a 350 claimed to be running 107 mph with 2 minor bolt ons everyone here would be waving the b.s flag even though it has more hp and less weight than the LT1. But since these crazy numbers are coming out of a Camaro no one raises an eyebrow!
You and I have been here about the same length of time (I joined mid 98) so no disrespect, but your numbers are radically high as well. I've been running and building LT1's since 93, and I've never seen anyone run 111 mph with just gears and some bolt ons at stock weight. No tune? No cam? No weight reduction? Your numbers are just as extraordinary as buzz's IMO.
I challenge you or Buzz to find someone else who runs as fast as y'all with the same mods.
You and I have been here about the same length of time (I joined mid 98) so no disrespect, but your numbers are radically high as well. I've been running and building LT1's since 93, and I've never seen anyone run 111 mph with just gears and some bolt ons at stock weight. No tune? No cam? No weight reduction? Your numbers are just as extraordinary as buzz's IMO.
I challenge you or Buzz to find someone else who runs as fast as y'all with the same mods.
My point is, people automatically assume LT1's are slow because a lot of them these days are old and tired or weren't kept up. But it only takes a well maintained LT1 with the right mods to be extremely competitive. I have my respect for LS1's or any other engine for that matter, i've owned a '99 Anniversary Edition TA, but they aren't any different than any other engine when it comes to correctly selected mods and maintenance.
And as far as the challenge goes:
FASTEST BOLTON LT1
Shon Herron
97 Z28
4.33s, CAI, Ripper, Spohn Adj TA & Drag bar, EWP, SJM, Hooker LT, 52mmTB, 1.6RR, LT4 springs
1/4: 11.80@113
1/8: 7.50@90
60 ft:1.57
And there are actually quite a few other bolt-on LT1's that are quicker than me. GMHTP had a competition a few years ago that I would have been in if not for a work conflict. When the article came out it was interesting to see that I would have only been in the middle of the pack.
I think you and I both agree that it isn't the norm. We are just hung up on the 'believable' part.
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You gotta understand that it's hard to believe what a stranger on the net says vs. what 14 years of experience says
My last vette (yellow) was a 95 with 3.73's, 1.66's, catback, shift kit, granatelli maf, 58 mm tb, and ram air cai. Best run was 13.28@105 mph. I was happy with that as stock it went 14@100. I hung out with a corvette group every weekend. My car was average to above average for the mods. There were a lot of guys slower than me with bolt ons. You can understand how it blows my mind to hear of your 111 mph with not many more mods and buzz's 108 mph with way less mods. Not to mention you've got a 250 lbs. weight disadvantage. Again, not questioning y'all, just wondering why you guys can get the numbers that 99% of us can't.
My last vette (yellow) was a 95 with 3.73's, 1.66's, catback, shift kit, granatelli maf, 58 mm tb, and ram air cai. Best run was 13.28@105 mph. I was happy with that as stock it went 14@100. I hung out with a corvette group every weekend. My car was average to above average for the mods. There were a lot of guys slower than me with bolt ons. You can understand how it blows my mind to hear of your 111 mph with not many more mods and buzz's 108 mph with way less mods. Not to mention you've got a 250 lbs. weight disadvantage. Again, not questioning y'all, just wondering why you guys can get the numbers that 99% of us can't.Save for free mods that aren't worth mentioning, what is listed in my sig is what I have. No cam, no head work, no bottle, no weight reduction (race weight is 3640). Heck, I even run with the stock wheels on all four corners. The 12-bolt actually slows me down a little bit but it's there for the new motor coming.
My point is, people automatically assume LT1's are slow because a lot of them these days are old and tired or weren't kept up. But it only takes a well maintained LT1 with the right mods to be extremely competitive. I have my respect for LS1's or any other engine for that matter, i've owned a '99 Anniversary Edition TA, but they aren't any different than any other engine when it comes to correctly selected mods and maintenance.
And as far as the challenge goes:
FASTEST BOLTON LT1
Shon Herron
97 Z28
4.33s, CAI, Ripper, Spohn Adj TA & Drag bar, EWP, SJM, Hooker LT, 52mmTB, 1.6RR, LT4 springs
1/4: 11.80@113
1/8: 7.50@90
60 ft:1.57
And there are actually quite a few other bolt-on LT1's that are quicker than me. GMHTP had a competition a few years ago that I would have been in if not for a work conflict. When the article came out it was interesting to see that I would have only been in the middle of the pack.
I think you and I both agree that it isn't the norm. We are just hung up on the 'believable' part.
My point is, people automatically assume LT1's are slow because a lot of them these days are old and tired or weren't kept up. But it only takes a well maintained LT1 with the right mods to be extremely competitive. I have my respect for LS1's or any other engine for that matter, i've owned a '99 Anniversary Edition TA, but they aren't any different than any other engine when it comes to correctly selected mods and maintenance.
And as far as the challenge goes:
FASTEST BOLTON LT1
Shon Herron
97 Z28
4.33s, CAI, Ripper, Spohn Adj TA & Drag bar, EWP, SJM, Hooker LT, 52mmTB, 1.6RR, LT4 springs
1/4: 11.80@113
1/8: 7.50@90
60 ft:1.57
And there are actually quite a few other bolt-on LT1's that are quicker than me. GMHTP had a competition a few years ago that I would have been in if not for a work conflict. When the article came out it was interesting to see that I would have only been in the middle of the pack.
I think you and I both agree that it isn't the norm. We are just hung up on the 'believable' part.
Last edited by yellavette; Feb 18, 2007 at 12:12 AM.
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You gotta understand that it's hard to believe what a stranger on the net says vs. what 14 years of experience says My last vette (yellow) was a 95 with 3.73's, 1.66's, catback, shift kit, granatelli maf, 58 mm tb, and ram air cai. Best run was 13.28@105 mph. I was happy with that as stock it went 14@100. I hung out with a corvette group every weekend. My car was average to above average for the mods. There were a lot of guys slower than me with bolt ons. You can understand how it blows my mind to hear of your 111 mph with not many more mods and buzz's 108 mph with way less mods. Not to mention you've got a 250 lbs. weight disadvantage. Again, not questioning y'all, just wondering why you guys can get the numbers that 99% of us can't.
My last vette (yellow) was a 95 with 3.73's, 1.66's, catback, shift kit, granatelli maf, 58 mm tb, and ram air cai. Best run was 13.28@105 mph. I was happy with that as stock it went 14@100. I hung out with a corvette group every weekend. My car was average to above average for the mods. There were a lot of guys slower than me with bolt ons. You can understand how it blows my mind to hear of your 111 mph with not many more mods and buzz's 108 mph with way less mods. Not to mention you've got a 250 lbs. weight disadvantage. Again, not questioning y'all, just wondering why you guys can get the numbers that 99% of us can't.I will say this, I drive the car like I stole it (i know, brag, brag
), that may count for a good bit of it too. Not saying there aren't a lot of good drivers out there, but some may not push their cars as hard.
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......Have u ever drove a LS1 ?...... I killed a few 350Zs and G35s.......On the Highway as well....THEY CANT FREAKIN TOUCH US IN THE TOPEND and the best time ive seen recorded in the 1/4 is 13.80s LOLOLOLOL......Ah...
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LS1 eeking out a 350Z?....Someone please educate this knucklehead..... I have destroyed several of those little flies. You clearly have no clue what the **** you are talking about. I have raced stock ones....what a joke. I have raced modded ones, what an expensive joke. As far as the hwy, I have left them so far behind, where I couldn't recognize their headlights. It takes some serious modding to touch a LS1 with a 350Z. They can't touch an LS1 stock for stock or mod for mod. I suggest you go "pet" a book on an LS1, before making another rediculuos statement.
I have destroyed several of those little flies. You clearly have no clue what the **** you are talking about. I have raced stock ones....what a joke. I have raced modded ones, what an expensive joke. As far as the hwy, I have left them so far behind, where I couldn't recognize their headlights. It takes some serious modding to touch a LS1 with a 350Z. They can't touch an LS1 stock for stock or mod for mod. I suggest you go "pet" a book on an LS1, before making another rediculuos statement.
ALLLLL HAIL THE LS1....lol
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I know its hard to believe and I wouldn't believe it myself if I didn't have the timeslip hanging on my wall. Like I have said 10 times in this thread now, it was an amazing day. The next couple times I went back it was all 13.18-13.3 depending on the launching and all at 104-105 MPH. Race weight was 3460 with me in the car. Had the backseats and floormats out but thats about it.
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There were a lot of M6's at our meets as well. Typically they trap about 101-102. I think rule of thumb is an extra 5% loss for A4's. However, according to autoweek, there's more drivetrain loss with LRA than IRS. I've always heard it like you, IRS used up a little more hp, but Autoweek had a 2 page tech story saying just the opposite, so I'm not sure on that one. But the Corvette's weight advantage should overcome any losses with tranny. And I cut consistent 1.8's-1.9's and have 150 + passes under my belt, so it's not driving. Whatever it is that's causing it, I'd like to bottle and sell it!
I understand, but remember, both his and my car are M6's. We are going to trap higher for a given mod, just not necessarily be quicker unless we can get a great launch. I would expect you to trap atleast 2MPH faster with a 6-speed. and, not to knock the vette, but it does have more drivetrain loss as well because of the IRS.
I will say this, I drive the car like I stole it (i know, brag, brag ), that may count for a good bit of it too. Not saying there aren't a lot of good drivers out there, but some may not push their cars as hard.
I will say this, I drive the car like I stole it (i know, brag, brag
), that may count for a good bit of it too. Not saying there aren't a lot of good drivers out there, but some may not push their cars as hard.
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Bad day? Sure an LS1 should ALWAYS be an easy favorite, but just suppose that mr. 2.73 vert a4 98 LS1 with 90k miles runs into a 2007 300 hp 350z that's run 13.7's@103 like a few people at the 350 forums and all of the sudden the Ls1 is just eeking out a win. Not very likely, but not completely impossible. Granted my GTO is a "garbage barge" in a couple idiot's opinions, but it's an LS1 and I've raced my brother's 03 350 dozens of times. I always pound him when driver error isn't involved, but once or twice I started at too low an rpm and had to play catch up. The two car's are close enough that you can't f*ck around.....it's not like we're talking a Civic or Focus here. It IS a chick car though
Sure an LS1 should ALWAYS be an easy favorite, but just suppose that mr. 2.73 vert a4 98 LS1 with 90k miles runs into a 2007 300 hp 350z that's run 13.7's@103 like a few people at the 350 forums and all of the sudden the Ls1 is just eeking out a win. Not very likely, but not completely impossible. Granted my GTO is a "garbage barge" in a couple idiot's opinions, but it's an LS1 and I've raced my brother's 03 350 dozens of times. I always pound him when driver error isn't involved, but once or twice I started at too low an rpm and had to play catch up. The two car's are close enough that you can't f*ck around.....it's not like we're talking a Civic or Focus here. It IS a chick car though LS1 eeking out a 350Z?....Someone please educate this knucklehead..... I have destroyed several of those little flies. You clearly have no clue what the **** you are talking about. I have raced stock ones....what a joke. I have raced modded ones, what an expensive joke. As far as the hwy, I have left them so far behind, where I couldn't recognize their headlights. It takes some serious modding to touch a LS1 with a 350Z. They can't touch an LS1 stock for stock or mod for mod. I suggest you go "pet" a book on an LS1, before making another rediculuos statement.
I have destroyed several of those little flies. You clearly have no clue what the **** you are talking about. I have raced stock ones....what a joke. I have raced modded ones, what an expensive joke. As far as the hwy, I have left them so far behind, where I couldn't recognize their headlights. It takes some serious modding to touch a LS1 with a 350Z. They can't touch an LS1 stock for stock or mod for mod. I suggest you go "pet" a book on an LS1, before making another rediculuos statement.Last edited by yellavette; Feb 19, 2007 at 06:41 PM.