I think you should've done some research before you embarrased yourself there.

"an 80's Nissan Z car", what was that a SMOKING 17 second performer?

I have had 6 Z/28's so I am very familiar with what they will and won't do, but thanks for your .02.

 

I'm so ashamed I could cut off my mullet.

I think you are confusing the word "fast" with the term "quality." See, all of your Z28s may have been faster than 17 seconds, but if they were built as well as my little brother's 83 280zx... you wouldn't have needed to have 6 of them.

And BTW... we had that thing SOLIDLY in the 15s for nothing more than free mods. That's like... 12% less crappy by your definition .

 

I definitely got the LT1 because I wanted bone jarring torque and RWD in a car I didn't have to worry about breaking (ie: cheap). I'm very happy with it. But I have no illusions as to how GM puts things together. This car has left me stranded more times than anything else I have ever owned. Of course, when it's running I can bolt past most other cars on the road. Downshifting at 70mph and making the TCS activate is very manly.

In any event, the response really came after some statements that 350Z cars are pieces of crap. By the definition I'm seeing here, anything that runs over mid 13s is crap.

Like an MX5
Like a 325i
Like a WRX
Like a Boxster
Like a C320
Like an Audi A4

They aren't crap. They just aren't fast. Fast does not equal good, slow does not equal crap. Cope with it.

And for the gem... It may not be everybody's cup of tea, but the doors on the 280zx don't sag. That was my point.

 

O.K., I shall retract the POS comment, but I still think it's a chick car. By definition, a chick car is one that is NOT fast, and one that a "girl" could even drive. We went from a red light with him having a smirk like "yea, i'm gonna kick your a$$, and then suddenly the smirk was gone-as soon as I went into second gear.
The reason I have owned 6 different Z/28-I am a Chevrolet guy just like them. Should've never sold that 69! I will get #7 as soon as my dealer will take a deposit.

You obviously like imports, mabee you should change forums.

 

I'm in this forum because this is what I drive. I cold easily afford to be in any car in that list, but I like sticks, rear drive, and gobs of torque.

And amen to "I never should have sold my '69." I miss mine too. It was just a simple 355/TH350 car, but I loved it.

 

Hammer let me appologize to you if I misunderstood your tone in this comment.

He is here, and he has said he loves his F-Body. Last I checked thats all you need to be a member here. A lot of people respect imports here. His point was simple he was mearly stating that Z's are well built cars. There is no debating that. Everyone in the industry from magazines, to JD powers, and other companies that rate quality always have kind words for the Z. Its not a secret.

We dont have to be defensive about it. We know what we have, and so does he. Now lets not make an *** out of ourself sending people off to other forums just cause they my like something in addition to an F-Body. Ive owned many Z's myself. They were great, lots of fun, and a much better choice of import over all the FWD cars out there. I own a Formula now I like it better, but I can still recognize that Z's are well build, and my Formula would walk on it in a heartbeat (no pun intended).

I know I am ranting now, but CamaroZ28.com is far to good to be telling people to go elsewhere. Lets get back to being awesome now.

 

Well, he owned a 69, so he's o.k. in my book!

 

I'm calling BS. Lt1's don't run 13 flat@107 mph with just a catback and mailorder tune. And if, by some act of God your car does indeed run that fast, it's certainly not indicative of a stock or near stock LT1, which is the topic of this conversation.

 

Not to sound like a 350 nuthugger, but if I'm in a stock LT1 and the 350Z that I just saw run 101.2 mph traps in Motortrend pulls up next to me on the hwy, I'm gonna sweat a little. In fact, I'm gonna sweat a lot. Sure I might feel better at the strip when I can use my torque/tire advantage, but that doesn't make me any feel better when the 350Z is right next to me or even slowly pulling away at 100 mph. Trap speeds don't lie, and the 350 can hang right with the LT1 in that department. Overall I do agree with what you said though. The problem is that this is a Camaro forum and most of you guys are too brand loyal to look at it objectively

 

You can call BS all you want. It was an amazing day weather wise. The next weekend I went my times were all 13.15-13.25.
My car is not bone stock but still pretty close to it. Like I said before, I don't sweat 350Zs


Here is the whole time slip:


R/T -.160
60 1.890
330 5.467
1/8 8.406
MPH 83.70
1000 10.937
1/4 13.071
MPH 107.85


Oh I forgot to add one mod, Pro 5.0 shifter

 

Hey, I like to look at things objectively too! But to say that the 350Z runs the same trap speed as an LT1 still doesn't mean it's a threat to the LT1 on the highway either. All of the factors including power, weight and gearing play a role. Maybe the way the 350Z is setup makes it quick off the line, and good in the 1/4 mile (for what it is) ... I don't know, just speculating? Or maybe in fact it's a real ringer out on the highway, and would embarrass the LT1?? (again, I don't know for sure). I'm just saying that "perhaps" that ~101 mph trap speed is closer to the "maxed out" point of the 350Z, in comparison to an LT1 which we all know is good for ~150 mph, given enough road .

I've completely walked away from an LT1 in the exact same manner with my LS1. In this case, we're comparing apples to oranges. There's no contest (stock-for-stock). However, comparing LT1 vs. 350Z, I'm sure they're MUCH closer (while one or the other may be a clear winner, it wouldn't be by a whole lot).

That's a killer 60' time! What gears are you running out back? I know from experience that the track conditions can totally make or break a car. I have timeslips ranging from 13.0 to 14.1 for my LS1 that are "best run of the day" ... I'm not quick to wave the BS flag, and wouldn't put it past your well tuned, well hooked up LT1 to run what you did.

 

The drag radials help a lot. I left at about 3800rpm and slipped the clutch some, not a complete dump, which helps save the rear some. Most of my 60fts are in the 1.93-1.97 range. Running stock gears, 3.42s.

 

The mph is great for those mods. The 60' is killer too. Drag racing is ALL ABOUT the short times.

As for the 350Z debate... I've had a several month long standing invite to our IT guy to bring his 2005 350Z up to Moroso. He's game, but it hasn't happened yet (that's the problem with trying to get a lot of people together... we wanted to go as a group from work, and invariably somebody can't make it.) When it happens it should be fun. The group would include:
It's always fun to go with a diverse group of people.

 

I actually had my a$$ handed to me one night by a GTP ... it was late in the season, don't know WHAT was going on, but my car was just NOT running strong ( A) I think the track had a lot of dew on it ... it was dark, late in the evening, B) DA must have been BAD?! ) but my best run that night was only a 13.9xx, and I'd run a couple 14.0's / 14.1's ...

... anyway, buddy pulls up in his GTP and ran (if memory serves correctly) a 13.6xx!!! I was just like ... ... I got beat by a FWD!! (obviously dude's car was hooked up and was HOOKING up that night!)

BTW, I think you forgot to include the 350Z on that "list" of yours?

 

Yeah, he'd be there too!

The GTP is actually my little brother's current ride. We did all the work and I did the head porting. It ran a 14.2 on a 2.1 second 60' before. We're both dying to see what it'll do now.