Who has seen 918 beehive springs do this?
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If you design a product that works fine when built according to the design, and then the material used is changed intentionally or unintentionally, causing it to fail, then I'd call that a manufacturing or a management flaw, depending on if the change was accidental or intentional. A "design flaw" says that the designer did his job wrong. In a case such as is being hypothesized, the designer did his job correctly.
Comp has made poor management decisions regarding springs before, so it's not a great leap to imagine that something similar has happened here:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showpo...6&postcount=76
Comp has made poor management decisions regarding springs before, so it's not a great leap to imagine that something similar has happened here:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showpo...6&postcount=76
Rich
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Nothin wrong with comp.. Just ribbin the r&d dept. for droppin the ball... To many instances to have product still circulating. If there is a flaw and you have to search by batch # so you dont ruin a new engine..Scarey!!!!!!!!!. Tighten up COMP ...For the customer sakes.. I dont want to even talk about the lifters.. my knuckles still ache from hitting the wall when they came apart on 3 cars I had worked on.. LT1 is cake.. but lord help the labor cost on a ls1.. But no fear..they will replace the lifters.LOL. just not the money or wasted time or as mentioned possibly a destoyed engine...MY advice here is, play craps if you like rolling the dice..
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Nothin wrong with comp.. Just ribbin the r&d dept. for droppin the ball... To many instances to have product still circulating. If there is a flaw and you have to search by batch # so you dont ruin a new engine..Scarey!!!!!!!!!. Tighten up COMP ...For the customer sakes.. I dont want to even talk about the lifters.. my knuckles still ache from hitting the wall when they came apart on 3 cars I had worked on.. LT1 is cake.. but lord help the labor cost on a ls1.. But no fear..they will replace the lifters.LOL. just not the money or wasted time or as mentioned possibly a destoyed engine...MY advice here is, play craps if you like rolling the dice..
And it just happens that one of the 5 posted is the same batch # that are in my car right now, so they will be coming out as soon as my patriot extremes come in.
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So i talked to red in Comp Cams warranty claims today about the situation with the 918's . He sent me a new set of 918's and told me word for word...
"I ASSURE you that you will not have any issues with these new springs . These springs that we have on our shelves are different than the ones you have" . So my question is should i just throw on the new 918's and trust theyre good this time around ? Red said theyll have the affected batch numbers within the next couple of weeks and what happened to make them that way . I also have not got a chance to pull my valve covers yet to check my springs . BUT their batch number is 49826 which is one that other people have been having failures with . Any advice is helpful . Thanks
"I ASSURE you that you will not have any issues with these new springs . These springs that we have on our shelves are different than the ones you have" . So my question is should i just throw on the new 918's and trust theyre good this time around ? Red said theyll have the affected batch numbers within the next couple of weeks and what happened to make them that way . I also have not got a chance to pull my valve covers yet to check my springs . BUT their batch number is 49826 which is one that other people have been having failures with . Any advice is helpful . Thanks
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I don't know what my batch # is, but I bought mine last year around September for my 2006 TrailBlazer SS and had one break in the same way as the picture on the first post. Comp sent me a complete refund on the springs. Luckily we caught it before it dropped a valve and did any real damage.
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Lloyd-
I'm very curious to hear your opinion on this. I bought a set of your LE2Heads with this set of springs and from the dates these guys are throwing around sounds like mine are very likely defective.
When did you start using the PAC springs in your heads?
Do you track batch numbers?
My machinist is actually planning on starting the Block-work next week.
With that being said - THANK YOU ALL FOR POSTING ON THIS ISSUE!
Just like all those currently subscribing I have spent countless hours gathering data and spending bookoo $ on this motor/hobby and as Joe said I don't intend to gamble on heresy and folklore.
BTW We should all be calling Comp. Anyone that has purchased a set of these springs whether they have had issues or not should call to express concern and distrust. This can only help increase Comps awareness of the issue and help reduce the likelihood of future issues.
Kirk Alloway
Thanks again guys for bringing this to light. This may have saved me a divorce! I know their are guys with me on this!
I'm very curious to hear your opinion on this. I bought a set of your LE2Heads with this set of springs and from the dates these guys are throwing around sounds like mine are very likely defective.
When did you start using the PAC springs in your heads?
Do you track batch numbers?
My machinist is actually planning on starting the Block-work next week.
With that being said - THANK YOU ALL FOR POSTING ON THIS ISSUE!
Just like all those currently subscribing I have spent countless hours gathering data and spending bookoo $ on this motor/hobby and as Joe said I don't intend to gamble on heresy and folklore.
BTW We should all be calling Comp. Anyone that has purchased a set of these springs whether they have had issues or not should call to express concern and distrust. This can only help increase Comps awareness of the issue and help reduce the likelihood of future issues.
Kirk Alloway
Thanks again guys for bringing this to light. This may have saved me a divorce! I know their are guys with me on this!
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One benefit I see out of this for me is now I can also replace the Comp R Lifters with the LS7 lifters when I change out my springs!! No more worrying about broken retainers, plu it will be easier to lash and hopefully a little quieter!!
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From: stuart fl
I bought my springs in 06 heard about what's going on called comp they told me to send them back in 06 they had a bad batch of wire. I can't get a refund because I don't have a receipt from them I can either get store credit or replacement springs there's no way I'm getting replacements. I'm going to be getting the pac at this link http://www.pacracing.com/Beehive_Spr...Set_of_16.html
this is what Lloyd and Brett are using now.this is the erignal manifacher of the old springs that comp switched from. As you can see 1218 is the originals and the 1518 are a better spring Brett said they put more into it and will last longer how would you set up a group by for the springs if you buy 10 sets their only 1218 $100 and the 1518 quantity of 10 sets are like 175 and the1518 last a lot longer their their endurance springs. Looks like a lot of people will need springs I have no clue how to set up a group by but it would be a good idea
thank you Pat
this is what Lloyd and Brett are using now.this is the erignal manifacher of the old springs that comp switched from. As you can see 1218 is the originals and the 1518 are a better spring Brett said they put more into it and will last longer how would you set up a group by for the springs if you buy 10 sets their only 1218 $100 and the 1518 quantity of 10 sets are like 175 and the1518 last a lot longer their their endurance springs. Looks like a lot of people will need springs I have no clue how to set up a group by but it would be a good idea
thank you Pat
Last edited by pat35; Jun 16, 2007 at 04:15 PM.
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From: stuart fl
I did a post in the group buying section there's a link
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...06#post4665206
so far it looks that we have enough to get the 10 quantity Price
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...06#post4665206
so far it looks that we have enough to get the 10 quantity Price
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Ok... everybody who has had a failure post your installed spring height and complementary components. I need info on retainers, rockers and any seat machining. Numbers are needed.
I really believe this is installation error but to disprove that we will need more info.
C'mon... cough up your exact setups.
I really believe this is installation error but to disprove that we will need more info.
C'mon... cough up your exact setups.
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Installation error !? Yea ******* right ! I would lean toward installation error if this was an isolated incident but this is happening EVERYWHERE ! The
crap springs are breaking in the EXACT same place as everyone elses !
Dont believe me ? Look at these threads ....
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513691
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728254
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728254
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728254
http://ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159887
http://www.fastlsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14859
http://www.fastlsx.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=29
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1715377
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showpo...9&postcount=84
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showpo...8&postcount=88
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showpo...&postcount=134
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showpo...6&postcount=76
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728938
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...t=68960&page=2
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Ok... everybody who has had a failure post your installed spring height and complementary components. I need info on retainers, rockers and any seat machining. Numbers are needed.
I really believe this is installation error but to disprove that we will need more info.
C'mon... cough up your exact setups.
I really believe this is installation error but to disprove that we will need more info.
C'mon... cough up your exact setups.
I'll have some 918's for sale tomarrow if you want them, only 3000 miles on them. $50 shipped and they are yours.