This is the second time you've brought this up...so, tell us exactly what was said, with no embellishment or statements out of context.

"...can't be done..." are you sure the statement is complete? And more importantly, is any of this relevant to the discussion?

 

Steve,
We'll have to get you out to Fontana during one of your seasonal breaks from school - hopefully a break will occur when the track is actually open. I'd really like to see your car run too, plus we have a pretty fun group at the track..it's all friendly racing.

 

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were in charge of this thread... It may not be relevant to your discussion. No I'm not going to get into the pissing match as to which shop is better. It is relevant in the fact that AI couldn't believe certain ET's and now magically w/ LT1 castings they contradict themselves. It's fascinating and baffling at the same time.

 

I asked you a simple question for clarification and the answer should have nothing to do with any pissing matches, perceived or real. Did their belief have more to do with what you wanted to run (or what someone supposedly ran with another set-up), or what the LT1 heads themselves were capable of? The distinction of the difference is as important as your need to bring this up twice.

Let me see if I have interpreted what you've said thus far correctly: You're upset that you gave Ai some constraints and told them that you want X part to put on X car at X weight and they told you that 10's at 130+ wasnt going to happen? How exactly did they do you wrong by under-selling a product's capabilities? I think that's a GOOD thing as far as I'm concerned. Apparently, they dont promise the world to every customer who just doesn't know any better. You admit you DONT have their product and you DID NOT do business with them... yet you're on here bashing them?

 

So all the AI bashing is b/c those guys decide to optimize a combo rather than just suck it up and be happy with 112ish MPH combos from other places?

And FYI-it will not take a 383 to go 10s in my car that I will be driving from here on out.

 

Oh sweet jezus.... There's no bashing. I haven't degraded their products or their company. I brought it up TWICE because as said in the second post, "I forgot to mention....." Did you read that part or are you just hard up in making something out of nothing. And no you don't have it right. I did not expect them to port me magical heads to go sub 11's. I merely stated to them in a "btw..." context that Jordon Musser's car was in the 10's w/ ported AFR's since we were speaking about porting AFR's for my setup. Whoever it was on the phone said, "You know Jordon had nitrous on the car for that run."
Now see if you can understand my point before trying to make more of nothing.. better yet... read this again:
Are you feeling left out and just want to bicker for the hell of it? Do you still not understand my point?

 

For what its worth, there's a guy in GA I think who bought the 401 out of jordons car. He runs low 120mph traps and the car is 3400lb. Wasn't jordon saying that run was at 3650-3700lb? I'm not calling him a liar, but maybe you just don't get that 1. Jordons car was setup very well. 2. Probably ran in mineshaft DA. 3. Jordon built the engine, so he had a lot more control over everything. 4. I know phil won't sell really aggressive lobes to someone unless he knows they understand all that goes along with it.

Regardless, it sounds to me like he just knew there was more to that setup than meets the eye and realized you were unlikely to get what you were obviously thinking you would. Even if you assume he didn't believe it, how exactly would that make it a good idea to come talk trash about them now on something completely unrelated?

This is just ridiculous, jeez.

What does your car run? Has anyone else got you a high 10 second, 130 mph run yet since you didnt buy from AI?

 

Yeah man im down. I was actually looking at making it out to fontana on December 2nd when the temp is nice and cool. I should have some vacation time banked by then. Im tryin to get some guys from the shop together to roll out too.

Steve

 

I got the same thing from Airflow Development...I was told FLATOUT a 23* headed 383 the weighs 3600lbs CANNOT run 10.90's all motor on pumpgas, I was also told that 500 rwhp in the same weight car CANNOT run 10.90's, when I told him a freind has a 3700lb Z28 with an auto(4L80E) makes 505 rwhp all motor and runs 6.80's in the 1/8 mile on drag radials he said he is defying the laws of physics

The 23* heads I am going to use are Pro Action 220 or a 235 ported and converted with a super vic..I am going to see if I can do it.


Ricks car is flatout flying!!!!!!! Amazing


David

 

Congrats on the new best!

from watching the video it looks like you got alot more left in it.

Santore

 

... and another AI crusader to the rescue...

If that guy ran 120mph N/A in a solid roller 401 then there's something seriously wrong. I've known Jordon since he was 17. I trust his word over yours, your buddies at AI and some dude in GA. Thanks for the concern though!
First off, and as I told the other crusader, I did not call AI in my best World of Warcraft voice and ask for "10 second heads.." Who said anything about agressive lobes or me wanting a snazzy 10 second top end package from them? I discussed my setup and they recommended AFR 210's and said their custom port job which is far superior to anyone elses would work with my engine with the cam I had chosen. If we are going to carry on a conversation it would be helpful if you could read, comprehend and then reply with logic and reason w/out you getting your emotions in the way.
Second, as I've mentioned already, I am not bashing the company or its products. I am sharing the contradiction between what couldn't be done with AFR custom ported heads to all of the sudden it being able to be done WELL with LT1 castings. Does it need to be dumbed down any further?
Thirdly I am building something that'll hopefully make me happy and hopefully crack the *** out of the average AI and LE setup.

There's a member on this very board (chrism400) that is running sub 11 second passes using Lingenfelter CNC LT1 heads. GASP!

 

They seem to be working pretty well. I went out today with a slight headwind and went 10.52 @ 128 backed up with a 10.55, and 10.57. My 60 is still lacking 1.406 but it's getting better. I drove it there and then drove it home.

 

SS RRR: After you called AI (2+ yrs ago) and didnt like what you heard, what set up did you go with? Were you happy? Stats? OR are you still trying to put together a combo? IF putting it together, will it be an LT1 set up or a hybrid? ie SBC heads converted and/or non-LT1 intake?

 

What is your raceweight vs rwhp? Streetcar? Pumpgas? More info please.

I know Dennis at Airflow Development is a realist and thats ok, keeps you out of trouble....but when he says he KNOWS this And KNOWS that, tells me flat out a 3600 lb Camaro DOesnt weigh that(It weighed 3420 with a six speed and a 9 inch fully dressed( on Rebel Nascar 4 tire scales) NOT truckstop scales,I am 290 lbs...I have taken alot of weight out of the car, but also put alot back in, I "estimate" it to be a washout SO I "estimate" the weight to be around the same, about 3650, 3700(I hope) with me in it. And that there is NO WAY 500 rwhp is gonna run 10.90 in that car, and that it takes 550/560 rwhp to run 10.90 in a 3700lb car, and there is NO WAY you can do it on a 23* head, the only 23* head you have a CHANCE with is a old Dart 220, and that he builds stock eliminator efi cars yada yada, tells me that Ed Wrights 3300lb 4L60E, LT4 head and intake car that runs bottom 10's on motor is a "racecar"...to be honest, it kinda pisses me off, when I throw some examples at him, he tells me"they are defying the laws of physics". What about Brian on LS1 tech AKA 0u812Z28 who has been 9's normally aspirated on a stock ecm and opti?? ANd was in Hot Rod magazine? Ed Wright also has a stock ECM and opti. I tell him about Bret Bauer's engine he just did with Trickflow's on it that made 630 hp at the flywheel on pumpgas(impressive).....he said LMAO "maybe you should by buying one of HIS engines"....dont tell me it CAN'T be done..tell me it is HARD to do(I already know that!)

My buddy Clyde ran 10.50's and had ALOT more left in it, he wrecked it and changed direction with the car....it was a 383, ported STOCK castings and a Holley Stealth ram, FAST system, turbo 350..now it was closer to being a racecar, was 12to1 on racefuel@3350lbs.....but still that was over 2 years ago.


I am gonna attempt to defy physics LOL.....If I dont get in the 10's I will be happy just to have it running again, its been 4 years.

WELL...soapbox off now..thank you.

Again the times on cars in this thread are impressive..I hope to be on the list soon.

David

 

I hear good words about his portwork, but it sounds like he has NO idea what he is talking about! I've seen it done MANY times....and a couple times with LESS than 500rwhp!