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Old Feb 14, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pattracing212
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I haven't done any transmission work in over a year so I'm pretty rusty.

This is a big thread so I assume your reply is in regard to one of the latest questions:
by Drowned
Cracked band drum?! How can this have happened...
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the other day, on my way to work, about half way there, when I noticed it had no 3rd, or 4th gear. I take off, and everything is ok at first. It goes in 1st gear like normal, then shifts to 2nd no problem. Then it goes from 2nd like its going to shift, and it feels like its shifted into nuetral! It also still has reverse.
I'm thinking a pump seal could possibly cause the overheated drum, but not without other noticable symptoms {depending on which seal you are refering to}, and I wouldn't think a pump seal would produce a "no 3rd, or 4th gear" symptom without affecting other hydraulic modes; {which also depend on pump pressure for proper operation}.
Can you explain in detail further?
Thanks
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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Dave,

I worked at a shop for 7 years that worked very closely with ATSG, and Sonnax Ind. Many of the products Sonnax sells now were products I helped create. The very first "Super Hold" Sonnax 4th servo prototype was in one of my 4L60E's. The very first Sonnax servo check valve was used in one of my 700's. The owner of the shop is an extremely intelligent man, who I learned alot from. I don't just pull ideas or opinions out of the air. If I have a strong opinion about something, it's because I've tested it.
Hey Frank,
Is it ED Lee possibly??
Old Feb 15, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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Hey Frank,
Is it ED Lee possibly??
Yes, it is as a matter of fact.

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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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Ahh!!

Originally Posted by 12SCNDZ
Yes, it is as a matter of fact.

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The good ol' del trans days. Ed lee is a genius no doubt. He's currently helping me with a few converter things. One hell of a nice guy!!!
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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The good ol' del trans days. Ed lee is a genius no doubt. He's currently helping me with a few converter things. One hell of a nice guy!!!
I began my transmission career at Deltrans. I learned alot of very valuable information from my 7 years there. Deltrans and Ed both strive to be leaders in the transmission field. The shop is equpped with it's own full machine shop and converter shop. If a part we needed didn't exist, we made it. The machine shop allowed us to come up with some incredible ideas and products. The prototype of the Sonnax "dual piston" 4th servo was originally used in one of my 4L60E's. Yes, we had a few "teething" problems...LOL. We spent alot of time proving /disproving what other peoples parts were capable of.
Ed is who taught me to think ahead of the crowd. He's never been comfortable with "following". There's no doubt that I'm where Im at today because of Ed Lee. Everything I learned during my time there has carried over into CPT.

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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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JUST BROKE 15 MINS AGO. put the thing in R too back out and nothing feels like a load when givin'gas.i am so pissed.Nuetral is drive.WTF.SOUND LIKE A SUN SHELL PROBLEM.Man i am so mad.
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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JUST BROKE 15 MINS AGO. put the thing in R too back out and nothing feels like a load when givin'gas.i am so pissed.Nuetral is drive.WTF.SOUND LIKE A SUN SHELL PROBLEM.Man i am so mad.

Um...Nope, not the sun shell. I'd bet you're forward clutches are fried so bad that they've "welded" themselves together. This effectively means that your forward clutches are locked on. This will cause no reverse and will cause it to move forward in neutral.
This is most commonly caused by a cracked forward piston.

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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 12SCNDZ
Um...Nope, not the sun shell. I'd bet you're forward clutches are fried so bad that they've "welded" themselves together. This effectively means that your forward clutches are locked on. This will cause no reverse and will cause it to move forward in neutral.
This is most commonly caused by a cracked forward piston.

Frank
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MAN THANKS FOR THE INFO .WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST ROUTE; BUY A REBUILD FOR $600,OR GET THIS ONE FIXED?
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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MAN THANKS FOR THE INFO .WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST ROUTE; BUY A REBUILD FOR $600,OR GET THIS ONE FIXED?
Where you go from here all depends on your plans for the car. Be careful about those budget rebuilds, though. Our base 4L60E rebuild starts at $700. The price goes up with each "level". Our $1400 "Pro Race" build will take whatever you want to throw at it, and is 9 second proven.

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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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I'm not for sure.. But it wasn't pretty!!

Old Mar 7, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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My first went out with 65k miles the 3-4 clutches i assume, then second went out with 80k miles i drove it for 2 weeks and have the same problem
Old Mar 11, 2007 | 01:44 AM
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I will be postin up when frank gets my trans. tore down
Old Mar 18, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ2ENVY
I will be postin up when frank gets my trans. tore down
As promised here is what went wrong in my 4L60E . Can someone
tell me whats wrong in these pics ??? You can say i got screwed
over by the people that had to build my 4L60E MANY times over and over cuz
they kept dicking me around . So frank at CPT is setting
it the way it is supposed to be with a Pro Race build Frank at CPT FTW !!! My Z28 is a 94 BTW .







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