OK. Time to break some news here (since it's been a slow week).
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Re: OK. Time to break some news here (since it's been a slow week).
Originally posted by guionM
In case you haven't heard, Solstice is going to be built at Wilmington Delaware (unless a problem comes up), and the Camaro/GTO/Regal will be produced in Oshawa, Ontario in Canada (again, unless a problem comes up).
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In case you haven't heard, Solstice is going to be built at Wilmington Delaware (unless a problem comes up), and the Camaro/GTO/Regal will be produced in Oshawa, Ontario in Canada (again, unless a problem comes up).
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Re: Re: Re: OK. Time to break some news here (since it's been a slow week).
Originally posted by guionM
Now that's a really good question!
I'll find out as much as I can, and get back to ya.
Now that's a really good question!
I'll find out as much as I can, and get back to ya.
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guion,
Regarding your remark about how names can change at the last minute and the Regal.
I would think that if Buick was to have a smooth, comfortable, powerful halo-car-type coupe, they probably wouldn't want to name it Regal.
Instead, I believe they might name this new car Riviera.
Regarding your remark about how names can change at the last minute and the Regal.
I would think that if Buick was to have a smooth, comfortable, powerful halo-car-type coupe, they probably wouldn't want to name it Regal.
Instead, I believe they might name this new car Riviera.
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Originally posted by HuJass
guion,
Regarding your remark about how names can change at the last minute and the Regal.
I would think that if Buick was to have a smooth, comfortable, powerful halo-car-type coupe, they probably wouldn't want to name it Regal.
Instead, I believe they might name this new car Riviera.
guion,
Regarding your remark about how names can change at the last minute and the Regal.
I would think that if Buick was to have a smooth, comfortable, powerful halo-car-type coupe, they probably wouldn't want to name it Regal.
Instead, I believe they might name this new car Riviera.
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Thanks for the info GuionM as always. Your sources are safe and we are a little happier than we were before reading this. I'm curious about that JP Powers report. How much information do they have from manufcaturers regarding future vehicle plans?
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One thing to note....
Although GM has said a higher performance version of the GTO may be down the road, currently no one has said anything about an entry level mass market version.
Therefore, if one assumes a shared platform (which is how I read guion's original post) that means V8 only and no entry level Camaro.
I'm guessing for cost savings there'd be two versions of each at best...
Pontiac GTO.... and Pontiac GTO Judge (although that name may not be used)
Chevrolet Camaro.... and Chevrolet Camaro SS
Buick Regal... and Buick Regal GSX.
Just some suggestions on names, however I wouldn't expect there to be more than two versions of each model.
Although GM has said a higher performance version of the GTO may be down the road, currently no one has said anything about an entry level mass market version.
Therefore, if one assumes a shared platform (which is how I read guion's original post) that means V8 only and no entry level Camaro.
I'm guessing for cost savings there'd be two versions of each at best...
Pontiac GTO.... and Pontiac GTO Judge (although that name may not be used)
Chevrolet Camaro.... and Chevrolet Camaro SS
Buick Regal... and Buick Regal GSX.
Just some suggestions on names, however I wouldn't expect there to be more than two versions of each model.
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Originally posted by jg95z28
Therefore, if one assumes a shared platform (which is how I read guion's original post) that means V8 only and no entry level Camaro.
Therefore, if one assumes a shared platform (which is how I read guion's original post) that means V8 only and no entry level Camaro.
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Nope. No way. A base model V6 Camaro is critical to the business case. This has been stated by everyone in the know. I'm thinking Chevy wants to sell 100,000 a year, and there's no way they do it with just a V8.
Nope. No way. A base model V6 Camaro is critical to the business case. This has been stated by everyone in the know. I'm thinking Chevy wants to sell 100,000 a year, and there's no way they do it with just a V8.
Once production of the GTO moves to North America, is GM really expecting to sell that many GTOs? No. Since the production facility is going to build GTOs, Camaros, and Regals, are they really going to build 100,000 of each? Of course not. 100,000 total might be more realistic; say 50,000 Camaros, 30,000 GTOs and 20,000 Regals???
I believe the V6 Camaro is dead. Chevrolet will try to move V6 buyers towards MonteCarlos and Malibus instead.
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Nope. No way. A base model V6 Camaro is critical to the business case. This has been stated by everyone in the know. I'm thinking Chevy wants to sell 100,000 a year, and there's no way they do it with just a V8.
Nope. No way. A base model V6 Camaro is critical to the business case. This has been stated by everyone in the know. I'm thinking Chevy wants to sell 100,000 a year, and there's no way they do it with just a V8.
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If Buick is trying to stay away from the hot-rod crowd, that would be a good case for a V6 in the Regal wouldn't it? Allowing more money to be spent on other quality items? There-for, an even better case to put the same V6 in the Camaro for an entry-level version.
The V6 has been the bread and butter for the Camaro for a long time, why would they work against that? I remember a few months ago, a 4 cylinder was even being discussed as a possibility.
The V6 has been the bread and butter for the Camaro for a long time, why would they work against that? I remember a few months ago, a 4 cylinder was even being discussed as a possibility.
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Hear me out...
Sure there might be a demand for V6's and yes 4 cylinders were dicussed here as well. However, think about it. Does it fit GM's cost saving production attitude? I say, "No".
The more economical solution would be a base high performance V8 (like the current GTO) and a higher performance V8 model (that is perhaps supercharged) that is shared across all three models.
By keeping the differences to cosmetics and trim packages and keeping the basic drivetrain the same, production costs should be less and prices more resonable. It should also improve production quality. (The old K.I.S.S. mentality.)
Maybe I'm way off. But if you follow recent trends by GM, it kind of makes sense.
Sure there might be a demand for V6's and yes 4 cylinders were dicussed here as well. However, think about it. Does it fit GM's cost saving production attitude? I say, "No".
The more economical solution would be a base high performance V8 (like the current GTO) and a higher performance V8 model (that is perhaps supercharged) that is shared across all three models.
By keeping the differences to cosmetics and trim packages and keeping the basic drivetrain the same, production costs should be less and prices more resonable. It should also improve production quality. (The old K.I.S.S. mentality.)
Maybe I'm way off. But if you follow recent trends by GM, it kind of makes sense.
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Originally posted by jg95z28
Hear me out...
Sure there might be a demand for V6's and yes 4 cylinders were dicussed here as well. However, think about it. Does it fit GM's cost saving production attitude? I say, "No".
The more economical solution would be a base high performance V8 (like the current GTO) and a higher performance V8 model (that is perhaps supercharged) that is shared across all three models.
By keeping the differences to cosmetics and trim packages and keeping the basic drivetrain the same, production costs should be less and prices more resonable. It should also improve production quality. (The old K.I.S.S. mentality.)
Maybe I'm way off. But if you follow recent trends by GM, it kind of makes sense.
Hear me out...
Sure there might be a demand for V6's and yes 4 cylinders were dicussed here as well. However, think about it. Does it fit GM's cost saving production attitude? I say, "No".
The more economical solution would be a base high performance V8 (like the current GTO) and a higher performance V8 model (that is perhaps supercharged) that is shared across all three models.
By keeping the differences to cosmetics and trim packages and keeping the basic drivetrain the same, production costs should be less and prices more resonable. It should also improve production quality. (The old K.I.S.S. mentality.)
Maybe I'm way off. But if you follow recent trends by GM, it kind of makes sense.
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Originally posted by Z28x
Why couldn't a V6 camaro share a V6 with the Buick?
lets say the plant uses 3 engines, 270HP 3V 3.9L V6, LS2, and LS7
GTO gets LS2 & LS7
Camaro gets 3.9L V6 & LS2
Buick gets 3.9L V6
Why couldn't a V6 camaro share a V6 with the Buick?
lets say the plant uses 3 engines, 270HP 3V 3.9L V6, LS2, and LS7
GTO gets LS2 & LS7
Camaro gets 3.9L V6 & LS2
Buick gets 3.9L V6
More important, why wouldn't the Camaro SS get the LS7 if the GTO did?
