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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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Don't be so sure....

.......I feel very certian that we'll get 3 engines....V6, base V8 & premium V8.

Don't forget nearly every model, except Corvette needs to contribute to CAFE standards on a per model line basis...not to mention insurance ratings.

V6's are very important to Camaro sales and model niche.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:37 PM
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Re: Don't be so sure....

Originally posted by Doug Harden
.......I feel very certian that we'll get 3 engines....V6, base V8 & premium V8.

Don't forget nearly every model, except Corvette needs to contribute to CAFE standards on a per model line basis...not to mention insurance ratings.

V6's are very important to Camaro sales and model niche.
Ah yes... but you're forgetting one thing... DoD.

With DoD a base V8 can meet the CAFE standards.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by jg95z28

I'm guessing for cost savings there'd be two versions of each at best...


Chevrolet Camaro.... and Chevrolet Camaro SS



, however I wouldn't expect there to be more than two versions of each model.

Don't be so sure.........
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:51 PM
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Why?

More important, why wouldn't the Camaro SS get the LS7 if the GTO did?
SO that the Camaro isn't faster than the base Vette. I can't see the Camaro SS having a 500HP V8, 400HP LS2 should be enough (for now )
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:53 PM
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SO that the Camaro isn't faster than the base Vette. I can't see the Camaro SS having a 500HP V8, 400HP LS2 should be enough (for now )
Maybe enough for some... but I want to be able to waste Cobras with ease.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:58 PM
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You guys are aware that there will most probably be two versions of the GEN IV 6.0, right?

One (Lxx?), at around 350 hp or less..... and one (LS2), at around 400 hp+++.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for an LS7 in a Camaro though.

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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 02:46 PM
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Why are some of you assuming that the Buick variant will only get a V-6?
Ya know, at one time, Buick was well known for it's V-8s (455 GS & GSX, Wildcat V-8s,etc).

Just because Buick has become synonymous with V-6s in the 80s till now doesn't mean they will stay that way or that they should.

GM is changing. I expect Buick to change also.

With that said, I would bet that this Buick coupe, whatever it's to be called, will have V-8 availibility.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 03:03 PM
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A few philosophies to keep in mind here.

1. Pontiac is going to make quicker cars than Chevrolet.
2. Buick's focus is on V6s. Supercharged or Turbocharged, but still V6s.
3. Chevrolet's focus is on value.

Keeping this in mind, assuming J.D. Powers is correct, one can speculate the GTO will be the quickest of the cars, Buick will have a SC V6. It's also extremely likely Camaro will have both a V6 and a V8, like the 4th gen.

GTO & SS would share costs of the V8 certification.
Regal & Camaro would share the cost of the V6 (Buick springing for the SC packaging & related expenses).

If Camaro is expected to make 50% of the total production, then the costs are distributed evenly based on sales.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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1. Pontiac is going to make quicker cars than Chevrolet.
I don't know about you guys, but I have a real problem with that. I think Chevy has all the racing history and even if the cars they produce are not as plush or flashy as other GM brands, I feel that the performance variants of the models(SS) should be faster than the other brands. Personnally, I would be kind of insulted if my new Camaro Z28/SS is slower than a GTO. Maybe I shouldn't feel like that, but I do.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by guionM
A few philosophies to keep in mind here.

1. Pontiac is going to make quicker cars than Chevrolet.
When camparing to the camaro, right? Or are you talking corvette also.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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Furthermore didn't Pontiac just get out of racing (NASCAR)?

I am a Chevy brand loyalist... however in 1995 I almost went with a WS6 because Chevy didn't build one. I eventually settled for a plain Z/28.... and three months later, Chevy brought out the 1996 Camaro SS!

Just make the top dog Camaro as fast as the top dog GTO.


Old Nov 14, 2003 | 05:12 PM
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You guys are aware that there will most probably be two versions of the GEN IV 6.0, right?

One (Lxx?), at around 350 hp or less..... and one (LS2), at around 400 hp+++.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for an LS7 in a Camaro though.
a 350HP 6.0L seems pointless. Why not just use the GTO LS1 or LS6. The only 6.0L under 390HP that seems logical would be a truck one.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 05:15 PM
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Least i can breath a sight of relief. If I was wrong on that article I wrote a while back some people would have had my head. FWIW I was told I was was way to close for comfort on the engines I suggested......
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Z28x
Why not just use the GTO LS1 or LS6.

Because the 5.7's days are numbered.
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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I firmly believe Doug is correct...we will have 3 Camaro engines.

1 V6
1 mid-level (yipee!!!!!!!!!!) V8
1 premium V8

I am 99.9% sure of this...I ain't saying WHERE I know it from...but there will be 3 engines...and one will be a V6

Doug, work with me here



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