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Originally posted by SharpShooter_SS
Personally, of the three pieces I did I would have chosen this one.
Personally, of the three pieces I did I would have chosen this one.
My wife and I just got done eating dinner and I decided to check this board. I informed her that it appears that the Camaro will be coming back (I used to own a '93 Z28). She kinda rolled her eyes at me like she usually does when I talk about cars
Anyhow, when I popped up this picture, her immediate reaction was "ooooohhh."I think this one is a winner
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
Ironicly the new Mustang is wider and sits quite a bit better than the older ones. The 2007 Camaro will be very similar to the new Mustang
And while the top Mustang outperforms the top Camaro, I digress as that is a topic for another thread and lounge. 
Ironicly the new Mustang is wider and sits quite a bit better than the older ones. The 2007 Camaro will be very similar to the new Mustang
And while the top Mustang outperforms the top Camaro, I digress as that is a topic for another thread and lounge.
You must have a crystal ball.
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Originally posted by jg95z28
No official word from GM and no official power figures and automatically the top Mustang out performs the top Camaro???
You must have a crystal ball.
No official word from GM and no official power figures and automatically the top Mustang out performs the top Camaro???
You must have a crystal ball.
Now if there was say a limited edition 400HP model with optional AWD
is about as far as things will go....unless the muscle car market erupts in say 2008-09 However when you look at the cars that are not limited edition such as Mustang GT....Chevrolet fully intends to outpower them
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Originally posted by formula79
Top Camaro will not touch the top Mustang again. Ford is going after both the Camaro and Corvette market segments which is why we will see 400+ HP Mustangs. Chevrolet will always keep the the Camaro a step behind the Vette... so a 500HP Camaro will almost certainly not happen.
Now if there was say a limited edition 400HP model with optional AWD is about as far as things will go....unless the muscle car market erupts in say 2008-09
However when you look at the cars that are not limited edition such as Mustang GT....Chevrolet fully intends to outpower them
Top Camaro will not touch the top Mustang again. Ford is going after both the Camaro and Corvette market segments which is why we will see 400+ HP Mustangs. Chevrolet will always keep the the Camaro a step behind the Vette... so a 500HP Camaro will almost certainly not happen.
Now if there was say a limited edition 400HP model with optional AWD
is about as far as things will go....unless the muscle car market erupts in say 2008-09 However when you look at the cars that are not limited edition such as Mustang GT....Chevrolet fully intends to outpower them
There will be no direct Camaro competitor to the top Mustang. Of course, the top Mustang may end up costing around 60 grand, (I believe a Ford exec described this one as the Cobra R). I don't think we really need a $60,000 Camaro, anyway.
As far as all the other Mustangs-- including SE's.....they will be fair game for Camaro. Just a speculative reach.....but I'd suspect Camaro will generally have better chassis dynamics than Mustang. I wouldn't be surprised if Zeta mules are being tuned at Nurburgring as we speak. And by certain people who realllllly know their way around a racetrack.
As far as horsepower goes.....500 is not in the cards. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a version compete with Mustang GT, and another version in the near 400 range....and yet another which handily exceeds that...and is wrapped in a "road race" inspired package, so many of us have been yearning for.
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I feel like Chevrolet will NOT let the M*stang be better in any model. I bet that when the M*stang's top model comes out that GM will not let Corvettes be beat by it and not the Z28 that will come out later either. The Corvette would have to be moved up and the Z28 would have to be placed at the top M*stang. This is where it should be, letting M*stangs beat Corvettes just isn't right. (or letting Camaros get beat too!)
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"The 'Stang will not compete with the 'Vette" - not my quotes. While Ford may be trying to position the new 'Stang with the Corvette - it just won't happen.
The new Corvette is going to have it's wings unleashed - courtesy of Mr. Lutz.
The new Corvette is going to have it's wings unleashed - courtesy of Mr. Lutz.
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Originally posted by formula79
Top Camaro will not touch the top Mustang again. Ford is going after both the Camaro and Corvette market segments which is why we will see 400+ HP Mustangs. Chevrolet will always keep the the Camaro a step behind the Vette... so a 500HP Camaro will almost certainly not happen.
Now if there was say a limited edition 400HP model with optional AWD is about as far as things will go....unless the muscle car market erupts in say 2008-09
However when you look at the cars that are not limited edition such as Mustang GT....Chevrolet fully intends to outpower them
Top Camaro will not touch the top Mustang again. Ford is going after both the Camaro and Corvette market segments which is why we will see 400+ HP Mustangs. Chevrolet will always keep the the Camaro a step behind the Vette... so a 500HP Camaro will almost certainly not happen.
Now if there was say a limited edition 400HP model with optional AWD
is about as far as things will go....unless the muscle car market erupts in say 2008-09 However when you look at the cars that are not limited edition such as Mustang GT....Chevrolet fully intends to outpower them
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Originally posted by PaperTarget
I'd just like to say that I think both camps are blessed to see two very nice and very new cars coming out. Let the races begin!
I'd just like to say that I think both camps are blessed to see two very nice and very new cars coming out. Let the races begin!
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Originally posted by IZ28
I feel like Chevrolet will NOT let the M*stang be better in any model. I bet that when the M*stang's top model comes out that GM will not let Corvettes be beat by it and not the Z28 that will come out later either. The Corvette would have to be moved up and the Z28 would have to be placed at the top M*stang. This is where it should be, letting M*stangs beat Corvettes just isn't right. (or letting Camaros get beat too!)
I feel like Chevrolet will NOT let the M*stang be better in any model. I bet that when the M*stang's top model comes out that GM will not let Corvettes be beat by it and not the Z28 that will come out later either. The Corvette would have to be moved up and the Z28 would have to be placed at the top M*stang. This is where it should be, letting M*stangs beat Corvettes just isn't right. (or letting Camaros get beat too!)
Originally posted by Josh452
"The 'Stang will not compete with the 'Vette" - not my quotes. While Ford may be trying to position the new 'Stang with the Corvette - it just won't happen.
The new Corvette is going to have it's wings unleashed - courtesy of Mr. Lutz.
"The 'Stang will not compete with the 'Vette" - not my quotes. While Ford may be trying to position the new 'Stang with the Corvette - it just won't happen.
The new Corvette is going to have it's wings unleashed - courtesy of Mr. Lutz.
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Originally posted by jg95z28
Thank goodness I'm not the only one that "gets it"!
Thank goodness I'm not the only one that "gets it"!
No there will be no 600HP Mustang...
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Originally posted by IZ28
I feel like Chevrolet will NOT let the M*stang be better in any model. I bet that when the M*stang's top model comes out that GM will not let Corvettes be beat by it and not the Z28 that will come out later either. The Corvette would have to be moved up and the Z28 would have to be placed at the top M*stang. This is where it should be, letting M*stangs beat Corvettes just isn't right. (or letting Camaros get beat too!)
I feel like Chevrolet will NOT let the M*stang be better in any model. I bet that when the M*stang's top model comes out that GM will not let Corvettes be beat by it and not the Z28 that will come out later either. The Corvette would have to be moved up and the Z28 would have to be placed at the top M*stang. This is where it should be, letting M*stangs beat Corvettes just isn't right. (or letting Camaros get beat too!)
Originally posted by Josh452
"The 'Stang will not compete with the 'Vette" - not my quotes. While Ford may be trying to position the new 'Stang with the Corvette - it just won't happen.
The new Corvette is going to have it's wings unleashed - courtesy of Mr. Lutz.
"The 'Stang will not compete with the 'Vette" - not my quotes. While Ford may be trying to position the new 'Stang with the Corvette - it just won't happen.
The new Corvette is going to have it's wings unleashed - courtesy of Mr. Lutz.
I don't think the picture is getting through quite clear to ya guys here.
Cobra is going after Corvette's performance. Not base Corvette either. Camaro isn't going to perform on Corvette's level. This means Camaro won't be performing on Cobra's level.
Seems you have the mindset that GM simply makes Corvette perform higher and that gives room for Z28 to somehow blast Cobra as if Cobra is a stationary target.
The IS a 500 horse Mustang in the works. There is a 500 horse Z06 in the works. This means that once work is done on these models, engineers will be looking at ways to step up performance even more.... that's engineers from both companies.
You can either deal with it now, or deal with it later, but you will be dealing with it. There won't be a same year top Camaro outperforming the same year top Mustang till Chevrolet drops Corvette or Ford drops Cobra (or whatever they will name the car).
The 5th gen will likely devastate the new Mustang GT. It's very likely there will be a future Camaro that will run even quicker, but the top Camaro isn't going to outrun the top Corvette... and by association, the top Mustang.