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Before becoming offended, the blue oval guys who contribute here regularly need to realise that they're already fighting a prejudice that many of their own brethren have caused. Go to most Ford/Mustang related websites or look in any Ford/Mustang related printed media and there is an immediate bashing of everything GM and more often than not bashing the fact that the 2003+ Mustang is faster than the 2003+ (enter any year after 2002 here) Camaro because the Camaro no longer exists.
When searching for technical help on my sons 96 GT, I had to search all over before finding a Ford site where people actually knew anything or one where I wouldn't immediately get bashed because I was a Chevy-guy.
Sure there are some very narrowminded people here as well. However for the most part, there are more RWD performance enthusiasts that appreciate vehicles no matter which flag they fly. That's why this place is so cool.
When searching for technical help on my sons 96 GT, I had to search all over before finding a Ford site where people actually knew anything or one where I wouldn't immediately get bashed because I was a Chevy-guy.
Sure there are some very narrowminded people here as well. However for the most part, there are more RWD performance enthusiasts that appreciate vehicles no matter which flag they fly. That's why this place is so cool.
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Originally posted by jg95z28
Before becoming offended, the blue oval guys who contribute here regularly need to realise that they're already fighting a prejudice that many of their own brethren have caused. Go to most Ford/Mustang related websites or look in any Ford/Mustang related printed media and there is an immediate bashing of everything GM and more often than not bashing the fact that the 2003+ Mustang is faster than the 2003+ (enter any year after 2002 here) Camaro because the Camaro no longer exists.
Before becoming offended, the blue oval guys who contribute here regularly need to realise that they're already fighting a prejudice that many of their own brethren have caused. Go to most Ford/Mustang related websites or look in any Ford/Mustang related printed media and there is an immediate bashing of everything GM and more often than not bashing the fact that the 2003+ Mustang is faster than the 2003+ (enter any year after 2002 here) Camaro because the Camaro no longer exists.
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Originally posted by WERM
Just keep in mind that plenty of use "Blue Oval Guys" are just car enthusiasts that happen to drive Mustangs. Especially those of us that have been here a while.
Just keep in mind that plenty of use "Blue Oval Guys" are just car enthusiasts that happen to drive Mustangs. Especially those of us that have been here a while.
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Originally posted by jg95z28
Before becoming offended, the blue oval guys who contribute here regularly need to realise that they're already fighting a prejudice that many of their own brethren have caused. Go to most Ford/Mustang related websites or look in any Ford/Mustang related printed media and there is an immediate bashing of everything GM and more often than not bashing the fact that the 2003+ Mustang is faster than the 2003+ (enter any year after 2002 here) Camaro because the Camaro no longer exists.
When searching for technical help on my sons 96 GT, I had to search all over before finding a Ford site where people actually knew anything or one where I wouldn't immediately get bashed because I was a Chevy-guy.
Sure there are some very narrowminded people here as well. However for the most part, there are more RWD performance enthusiasts that appreciate vehicles no matter which flag they fly. That's why this place is so cool.
Before becoming offended, the blue oval guys who contribute here regularly need to realise that they're already fighting a prejudice that many of their own brethren have caused. Go to most Ford/Mustang related websites or look in any Ford/Mustang related printed media and there is an immediate bashing of everything GM and more often than not bashing the fact that the 2003+ Mustang is faster than the 2003+ (enter any year after 2002 here) Camaro because the Camaro no longer exists.
When searching for technical help on my sons 96 GT, I had to search all over before finding a Ford site where people actually knew anything or one where I wouldn't immediately get bashed because I was a Chevy-guy.
Sure there are some very narrowminded people here as well. However for the most part, there are more RWD performance enthusiasts that appreciate vehicles no matter which flag they fly. That's why this place is so cool.
Because of the Mustang's popularity, it garners owners that are "not quite mauture" (i.e. 16-18y/o) and have not experienced the ponycar/musclecar euphoria that seasoned veterans have. They'd rather discuss fart-cans and how to remove their body hair than nostalgic V8 combos, TransAm specs, and future homage to past legends. Which do you think I prefer?!?!
Your statement is fair, and YES, I know I am on a GM-based site, but again, I think of this forum as a website all it's own and in here I find more open-mindedness and good discussion than anywhere else on the web. So I come back!
As a parting salvo though, I really do have to say that I saw some VERY SERIOUS and THOUGHTFUL posts on the Mustang boards when the F-car production ended in 2002. I even linked a few threads into this forum for viewing. There are many Mustang guys that respect and acknowledge the F-cars, and GM in general - problem is they are buried in a quagmire of goobers and buttplugs on most Mustang sites and nobody wants to read through all the crap to get to the good ones.
But PLEASE, don't give-up on all Mustang/Ford guys because of the naiveity of a few. (I don't think you have, just making the point for others!)
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I'll say right now that I can have a conversation with/do jave conversations with M*stang guys on occassion in person without any real problems. Sure I'm a GM/Camaro crazy guy and we're gonna disagree, but it's never to the extent that there's an all-out arguement. I find that M*stang/F*rd guys are alot more open to Camaros/Chevys then the other way around. (for some reason 
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I'll tell you who you really gotta watch out for: MOPAR guys. Alot of them are real touchy, you gotta be careful with what you say to them as they seem to think that they have the top everything when it comes to their cars.
Some Mopars are definetly cool though.
) I'll tell you who you really gotta watch out for: MOPAR guys. Alot of them are real touchy, you gotta be careful with what you say to them as they seem to think that they have the top everything when it comes to their cars.
Some Mopars are definetly cool though.
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Yup....from my observation, these threads turn south anytime one of two things happens:
1. Somebody makes a backhanded comment or joke about Ford and all the Ford Lurkers have to come out of the shadows to defend their brand, or
2. The ford guys come out of the woodword on their own just to try to rain a little on our parade.
I dont' have a problem with Ford guys or Fords in general, other than my personal taste lies with GM. I'd just like for this GM board to be able to get enthusiastic about GM products once in a while w/o it turning into a stupid Ford VS. Chevy thread. Maybe the Ford Apologists should spend more time in the Future Mustang forums at stangnet or the corral.
1. Somebody makes a backhanded comment or joke about Ford and all the Ford Lurkers have to come out of the shadows to defend their brand, or
2. The ford guys come out of the woodword on their own just to try to rain a little on our parade.
I dont' have a problem with Ford guys or Fords in general, other than my personal taste lies with GM. I'd just like for this GM board to be able to get enthusiastic about GM products once in a while w/o it turning into a stupid Ford VS. Chevy thread. Maybe the Ford Apologists should spend more time in the Future Mustang forums at stangnet or the corral.
Hear that?
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Corvette vs. Mustang? In a drag racer framework this might be a valid comparison. The Corvette is not aimed a drag racers, though a 'vette can hold it's own in straighline performance. It's aimed at all around performance and it's strong point show themselves on a roadcourse. You pay for the package.
The 'vette isn't aimed at a customer that doesn't value exceptional handling as an important virtue.
The 'vette isn't aimed at a customer that doesn't value exceptional handling as an important virtue.
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damn, this got kinda deep...
I consider myself one of those car enthusiasts that happens to like fords (or lincolns) but respects everything. I love my car to death, but i get a chill seeing an all black ws6 with ram air hood, or a nice electron blue z06, or the beautiful 35th anniv. SS.
sometimes i wonder if the car community might be a little more open if there wasnt a manufacturers badge on any car. just the name of the vehicle, with no baggage beyond iits own line. maybe then it would be, say "Im a ford guy, and i dont like ANYTHING GM makes", but, "I dont particuallrly like that aveo, but damn, those camaros and firebirds are nice, sos that mustang..." Sure there would still be fanatics, but maybe it wouldnt be so bad
seems like what we need is some automobile equality for everyone
back to lurking...
I consider myself one of those car enthusiasts that happens to like fords (or lincolns
) but respects everything. I love my car to death, but i get a chill seeing an all black ws6 with ram air hood, or a nice electron blue z06, or the beautiful 35th anniv. SS. sometimes i wonder if the car community might be a little more open if there wasnt a manufacturers badge on any car. just the name of the vehicle, with no baggage beyond iits own line. maybe then it would be, say "Im a ford guy, and i dont like ANYTHING GM makes", but, "I dont particuallrly like that aveo, but damn, those camaros and firebirds are nice, sos that mustang..." Sure there would still be fanatics, but maybe it wouldnt be so bad
seems like what we need is some automobile equality for everyone
back to lurking...
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I read a lot of nice posts there toward the end. For the most part I haven't been commenting on much since most of the comments were pretty civil. I like most of the people on here whether they have a GM/Dodge/Ford preference. There are a few bad apples, but you'll find them anywhere. I have started to ignore them (literally since I'm putting them on my ignore list, lol). I'd like to point out that I'll correct a Ford person just as quickly as a GM person if they're wrong. I like this forum much better than many of the others out there whether they be Ford or Dodge or GM. I think we all know the reason for that. Cheers guys and have a nice day.
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Originally posted by 1fastdog
Corvette vs. Mustang? In a drag racer framework this might be a valid comparison. The Corvette is not aimed a drag racers, though a 'vette can hold it's own in straighline performance. It's aimed at all around performance and it's strong point show themselves on a roadcourse. You pay for the package.
The 'vette isn't aimed at a customer that doesn't value exceptional handling as an important virtue.
Corvette vs. Mustang? In a drag racer framework this might be a valid comparison. The Corvette is not aimed a drag racers, though a 'vette can hold it's own in straighline performance. It's aimed at all around performance and it's strong point show themselves on a roadcourse. You pay for the package.
The 'vette isn't aimed at a customer that doesn't value exceptional handling as an important virtue.
But, Ford's Mustang Cobra isn't aimed at Drag racers either, and is also aimed for road courses.
The IRS on the car adsorbs alot of thrust. The made-for-drag-racing Mustang Mach 1 is only a couple of ticks behind the Cobra in acceleration, despite a cavernous disadvantage in power output.
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Originally posted by guionM
Very well put.
But, Ford's Mustang Cobra isn't aimed at Drag racers either, and is also aimed for road courses.
The IRS on the car adsorbs alot of thrust. The made-for-drag-racing Mustang Mach 1 is only a couple of ticks behind the Cobra in acceleration, despite a cavernous disadvantage in power output.
Very well put.
But, Ford's Mustang Cobra isn't aimed at Drag racers either, and is also aimed for road courses.
The IRS on the car adsorbs alot of thrust. The made-for-drag-racing Mustang Mach 1 is only a couple of ticks behind the Cobra in acceleration, despite a cavernous disadvantage in power output.
The Corvette certainly isn't cheap when viewing the sticker as a standalone item. However, the Corvette and partucularly the Z06 are exceptional values and definate bang for the buck standouts.
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Not taking away anything from the Corvette. It's a car that can keep up with (and sometimes out manuver and out accelerate) exotics costing twice or thrice the price, yet pretty much anyone can afford one, new or used.
But the idea of a 4 passenger coupe with the abilities the Cobra has for the price the Cobra is pretty astounding.
The last Cobra couldn't beat a Z06 on the track, but it was close enough to force the Z06 driver not to make any slight mistakes whatsoever, and it was pretty much no contest with a standard Corvette.
But the idea of a 4 passenger coupe with the abilities the Cobra has for the price the Cobra is pretty astounding.
The last Cobra couldn't beat a Z06 on the track, but it was close enough to force the Z06 driver not to make any slight mistakes whatsoever, and it was pretty much no contest with a standard Corvette.