I don't want to fuel the fire, but I (mostly) agree with XED. My post that I thought got deleted (was actually an error on my part that it never got posted) was about Branden's bashing on Johnny Hunkins.

Hunkins is doing an awesome job getting news on the 5th gen out there, especially to those who don't read or post on these message boards. GMI, Cheers and Gears, this forum, and many others are not the only places to get this info. Granted, they may be among the first, but I think PHR has a much larger audience and frankly, I think people will feel a lot better about reading it in a magazine, from the editor; moreso than on a website, credible as it may be.

Branden and others bashing the magazines publishing 5th Gen Camaro news need to lay off. All they are doing is trying to help inform people that want to know about the future of the Camaro, You should be thankful that they are picking up on it and getting the news out there and not pissing and moaning about it. It's as bad as people crying "repost! repost!"

Kris

 

aaaaaaaaaaany time. make it quick.

 

Kris, not that I speak for Branden and lord knows I often missinterpret what people mean around here, however I took what Branden wrote to mean that he wishes that all these leaks on the 5th gen Camaro would wait because right now GM can't even call any potential 2007 Chevy coupe "Camaro" due in part to contractual agreements with the CAW. It may just end up that although a car exists, GM may decide to call it something else in order to save them from paying millions in legal penalties.

Do I want the car to return? Hell yes! However I want a Camaro-styled car that actually can be called "Camaro", and NOT Chevelle, Monte Carlo, or something else.

Sure let them publish info on the 2007 Chevy coupe. But don't call it anything until its "official"... otherwise a year or so from now we'll all be posting how pissed off we are that GM can't call the car "CAMARO".

 

If I came across as dismissive of Crispey's rendition, that wasn't my intention. He gave us the 1st look at the "feel" of the 5th gen. Working with input from people who were involved with the car, he came up with the 1st really good look, & he SHOULD get credit for it.

The article as far as I know isn't posted anywhere, but then again, I didn't expect it to be mentioned for at least another few weeks either.

 

It's not a question of "using" anyone's design. Crispey's drawing was done with the input of people who have actually seen the 5th gen. So any idea that one design, should be used, or another design is better is completely moot.

Combined with input of people who post on this website who participated in the styling clinic and an insider or two who post here, the unanimous opinion is that the car is NOT retro! The drawings have the flavor of the car, and the consensus is the front end was nailed, but it's still a rendition, not the actual car. It's not a perfect drawing. The artist didn't actually see the car himself.

Word is that these 2 combined are the closest to the general look:
http://www.helixstudio.com/ssmd/cama...o_ss_rev1.jpeg
http://www.ultimatesimcentral.com/cr...s-camaro-4.jpg

 

This is certainly....unexpected.

 

I don't know about any1 else, but I still have a few real problems with the car as we know it so far. Those blended mirrors, the weird looking front which tries to be an open-front grill 34 years after that actually looked good, the way too rounded roof, and the fact that the entire car is basically 1st Gen still gets me.

I know people say that the real car isn't retro, but there are people that somehow think the next M*stang isn't either. Is the design of the 5th Gen done? Can it still change?

 

jg95z28,

You hit the nail on the head regarding Branden. We spoke this evening via PMs and I got a fair bit of insight into his thinking. All is well. I was just trying to defend Johnny Hunkins as I have spoken with him and worked with him on several occasions and he is an awesome guy and just as much of a Camaro enthusiast as any one of us. So I just wanted to make sure he wasn't being portrayed as some editor that borrows info from Camaro websites.

Kris

 

Actually I see a lot of second gen in Crispy's rendition as well. I like the blended mirrors. I prefer Crispy's drawing over Sharpshooter's more "bubbly" one, and while the overall theme looks a bit retro you have to remember that neither one of these are the actual car. People in the know say it isn't retro, so I will take their word for it for now. This kind of styling theme is honestly what I expected. There's no mistaking Crispy's car for a Camaro and that's a good thing.

Quote:

Is the design of the 5th Gen done? Can it still change?

If it changes, it isn't going to change much, unless you want a Camaro to arrive just in time for its 45th Anniversary.

 

I agree. We keep hearing that "it is not retro" but at the same time, the drawings that the real car is suposed to look like ARE retro. Now, of course none of these are the actual car and it is very possible that the design can be done in such a way that it won't look retro but at this point I am still worried.

 

Personally, of the three pieces I did I would have chosen this one.

That said, I'm not trying to hijack the thread to cover ground already covered.

If the general consensus of everyone who has seen the car, is that it is not retro, than shouldn't we at least show a little restraint and not go off on tangents and rants about the end of GM and forward-looking design? The one point that is abundantly clear is that not everyone is going to be happy when the car is unveiled. Some to the point of swearing off GM product forever (puhleez, give me a break!), but I suspect that this is the norm when passions run this high for a car (or is it the name that inspires such passion?). Everyone's vision of perfect is different - as it should be.

Reading this board clearly shows that the various iterations of the Camaro to date have their rabid fans and equally rabid detractors. The new one will be the same. Before everyone digs in with their personal views though, let's hold off final judgement until we actually see some sketch, or model, or mule that actually originated at GM.

Kris, I'm curious/anxious to see the results of your toils based on Crispey's work.

 

I agree, I am very glad things are starting to come together. I don't have a huge problem with the way the 5th gen. is going styling wise from what I am getting here, I just hope the front end is a little more areo. Of course we are just speculating here and final judgements will be reserved for the real thing.
I would rather see a complete fresh Camaro, but I believe if that were to happen the car would be treated like the new GTO is being treated.

 

I don't think that is really the case...

GTO was a rush job... and therefore it took a car that was designed for another country, some time ago, made a few tweaks to make it look like a Pontiac, and there it was.

A new Camaro would be designed from the beginning to be a Camaro... and not simply a tweak job on the bumper covers...

 

It's funny watching you guys react to the possibility that the next Camaro might be more like the Mustang not just in size and shape, but in "retroness". You guys are all going through the same thing the Mustang people did on their forums when the Mustang info and drawings and what not started to come out. Personally I think GM will mimic the Mustang in several areas (like 67) and it will be a good thing.