I guess that sums up the basis for your other comments...I’ll give you this, at least you are honest about it which is more than I can say for a lot of others.

That said, your other comments are very old arguments, mostly without merit and, frankly, since (no offense intended) you’ve obviously got a closed mind on the subject, I don't see a compelling reason to spend the time necessary to comment on them.

 

So, Blackbird, I’m supposed to be a “f**king stupid *** dip ****”? What do you say we recap your contributions to this thread (the thread you admitted you didn’t read before jumping in on page 9).

1. Your initial contribution to this thread was that the “Titan is completely ugly” and those insightful comments were offered about 6 pages of posts after that had already been discussed.

2. Then you proposed a pulling contest between a ¾ Ton Heavy Duty Dodge with a Diesel against a ½ Ton Titan with a gasoline engine as if that was supposed to prove something profound.

3. Then you wanted to compare configurations of trucks that don’t exist as if that would be a meaningful comparison.

4. And your final contribution is the “you’re a f**king stupid *** dip ****” comment.

Did items 1 through 3 exhaust your supply of the truly insightful leaving you with the awesome display of intellectual depth evident in item 4?

If you want to argue facts, fine, I’ll argue facts with you all day long….if you want to argue issues that’s fine too; lets argue them…if you want to disagree with me then fine, disagree with me but if the sum of your contribution is going to be to call me a f**king stupid *** dip ****” then you need to go back to the rock you crawled out from under because I won’t waste my time arguing with an obviously unarmed opponent - you just aren't worth the time.

 

you keep saying looks are subjective and they are to a point, when mass amounts of people find some thing ungly and unapealing well then it is.

i knew you were gona make that argument about the paint i just new it lol. i dont care weather you believe me or not about the orange peal i said it had it if you dont believe me thats fine it makes no diffrance to me and i never said it was wide spread or just to the truck they had there all i know is that was the worst orange peal i have seen and the worst part was the front of the truck wasnt bad at all go figure. but intermes of that problem if its wide spread among there trucks then it will chase consumers away.

and you are going way beyond deffending the titan. if you dont like what we think of the titan then feel free to leave the discussion. this is obviously a pro gm site i dont know why your shocked that the titan is not embrased by the people here and eve more so after some of your state ments in a choice of cars and show no sign of buying gm in the future saying you a gm guy or pro gm.

secondly how does you not buying a gm hurt gm? im guessing you dont vote either becuase hell its just one vote among a millions. the point is that if every one things like you then gm will be out of buisness. how does owning a gm after you purchase it from them now or 10 years down the road? thouse parts you buy come from gm and there suppliers thuse helping gm.

i am very well aware of how this thread started and we are all more them welcome to put are input in here this is a public from all though you think other wise, hence why you seem to attack every one that puts input into the thread after page 5.

its clearly obvious that you think the titan is the best truck ever and to behonest i have no problem with that. but every time some one compares the titan to the Gm and the gm wins you screem foul and say its irrelivant unless you use it to better your stance on the titan then its alright.you are only willing to allow the titan to be compared to the gm on your grounds. the titan has its strong points as a truck and instead of you going okay so the gm can do that but the titan has this and this you have to prove the titan is greater to the GM trucks all around.

i had no part in the valves and cam discusion more then you saying it takes a 6.0 to beat the 5.6 and mearly stated that it takes the 5.6 to beat the 5.3. but like i said early you dont like to hear things unless it favors your side.

 

This entire thread gave me a headache.

Sometimes when something looks best on paper, or should I say technically wins numbers wise, does not win in the real world application. Meaning there were plenty of cars and trucks that I have bought in the past that were not class leading over the competition, and these factors are subjective. Subjective really matters in thre buying process. Looking at the Titan, personally I would pick something different even though on paper it might be considered a better truck.

Sales of a vehicle pretty much shows what it most popular out there whether it is best on paper or not.

 

Some people will find anything ugly and/or unappealing and some people will “love” one look and hate another- I guess that’s why the industry produces a lot of different vehicles

I didn’t say I didn’t believe you I just don’t see the value of one person’s observation of one truck any more than if I went out to a Chevy lot and found something wrong with a Silverado’s paint job. If it’s a wide-spread problem then it’s truly an issue which is why I challenged you to show me some evidence of that.

I’m not shocked that the Titan is not embraced here. As to my buying habits, well, I don’t buy “appliances” anymore so very, very few cars from any manufacturer really interest me these days. The next GTO might, the next Camaro might; we’ll see when they are here…I can tell you this, I’m never again going to put up with carpet and leather seats that wear through in the first 15K miles or a plastic interior panel that never fit or an electrical system that is never quite ‘right” as I put up with in my ’00 Z28; I loved the car but I won’t put up with those kinds of problems anymore.

My friend, I haven’t missed an election, even a primary, since 1972 (which was the first year I was old enough to vote); I’ve never missed an election even when I was serving overseas so yes, I vote. As to the “parts” issue, whether they are for a Nissan, or a Toyota or a Chevrolet most of them come from the very same suppliers be they on or off shore.

Will I attack a persons’ position? Yes…that’s called arguing and discussing and debating. Do I care when they ‘jumped in”, no, not really, especially if they have something useful/valid to contribute. But when someone who, by his own admission hasn’t read the thread jumps in on page 9 with an inane comment about an issue that was already discussed pages ago and then calls me a “f**king stupid *** dip ****” then yes, I’ll attack that person – people that shallow and void of real thought deserve it.

Never said it, never will (and besides there is no such thing as the “best truck ever”) and it isn’t for you to tell me what I think.

 

Seems like this statement was just about as meaningful as the rest.

 

i said what i have to say to you and take it for what its worth or dont.

but this part right here bothers me. i made a statment that i went with a freind to look at trucks and the titan had horrible orange peal on it. i never said this was a wide spread problem and im not gona go around and look at ever titan to see if it has orange peal or even drive all the way back to the dealer which seems to be what your impling and even if i was willing to i dont have a camara at the moment.


and i just want to clarify about the voting the point of that was to say that yes you buying one car from gm might not put gm in the black but with every one having an attitude like that then it will deffinetly put gm in the red. sorta like yah your one vote might carry little weight but if mass amouts of people though there votes didnt count then look what would happen. i know its not a very good analogy but sorta the same idea.

 

Maybe someone would cry foul, but it is more realistic than comparing top level to top level or anything like that. What you buy is determined by how much you can spend, no matter how much money you have. So why compare the WRX Sti to the GT500? It is also not hopelessly open-ended, in that most price comparisons are made by MSRP. However, transaction prices are the best way to compare in an environment where MSRP isn't very similar to the real world price.

I noticed that essentially for 2007 the 1500 Silverado only comes in crew cab short bed configs with either 2WD or 4WD, with either the 4.8L or 5.3L. The Titan has about a bajillion configs listed on edmunds, but it seems like really the choices are crew or king cab, regular 5.6 or FFV.

A very quick trip over to edmunds seems to indicate that the Titan seems to be a little cheaper for practically the same functionality, although it does have a slightly lower payload and towing rating and it doesn't come with some of the 'creature comforts' the Silverado does at the same price point (talking about superfluous things like rear window defroster).

 

I've nothing against Edmunds but I'd suggest that to know exactly how much any certain vehicle's MSRP would be you need to stick to each manufacturer's website.

I still don't know how you would ever get everyone to agree on exactly what criteria are going to be established to do the comparison.

As to creature comforts; I'm sure GM and Dodge and Ford and Nissan all have some differences between the four; I guess it's a matter of if one is missing something really important to someone that the othes or some of the others have.

For example, my Titan has heated seats, heated mirrors, GPS navigation, XM Radio, backup sonor, driver memory seat and peddles that adjust elecrically to accomodate drivers of different heights; some of that stuff in important to me and some of it isn't. I really could care less about the adjustable peddles but if you've got a husband/wife who both drive the family pickup and the guy is 6'1" and a wife is 5'2" then those adjustable peddles could be very important; especially if they are availabe on a Ford but not GM, etc (and I don't really know if they are or aren't availale on the Ford or the GM so no need for anyone to get excited; it's just an analogy).

 

I really, really was willing and intending to leve the thread alone at that point.

But I"m not going to ignor a very long post by Proud Pony directed specifically to me or to back down when people seem intent on bashing either me personally or the Titan/Nissan just becaue they happen to hate the Titan/Nissan.

 

okay but when you can compare price more can come into play then just one truck to another. im not saying the silverado is better in quality then the titan but when you do something like that stuff like that comes into play also warrantees and other things. also price comparison only work on a paper stand point. people buy things depending on there intended purpose for it. yah on paper and for the point of a magazine its fair to compare the titan to the 5.3 and a similarly priced truck but real world practicality means people are gona buy the truck based on there needs or wants weather the titan fits that roll or the silverado. and my point was the silverado or sierra has a better chance of meeting those needs mostly because of the multiple configurations and avaliblity of the 6.0 then the titan.

 

i pretty sure there not in either sierra or silverado. and i always though that was the biggest gimmic becuase but my freind has a car with that and he swears its great so who knows.

 

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Didn't mean to come across as bashing you, just pointed out how (in my opinion) your words did not appear to match your actions - that's all.

And I didn't say "I hate the Titan" either, I just said that trucks like it don't register on my radar because I have far more need for capability than they offer.

Dern... make a fella feel bad for having an opinion or raising a question?!?!

Dude, I'd buy you a beer if we live close enough to do so.
You've typed the equivalent of 2 Harlequin romance novels in this thread alone! Gotta give a guy an "attaboy" for not giving up!

 

I didn't mean to imply that you hated the Titan or that that's where you were coming from; I was just trying to explain to Threxx why I jumped back in the thread after I said I was done with it - after all, you took the time to write a very long post directed to me so I sort of felt obligated to respond even if I had already said I was done!

And I'd take the bear if you were here to buy it!